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08-08-2019, 06:28 AM | #1 |
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Win7 user thinking about moving to Linux...
What happens if I just keep using Windows 7? Will I be risking losing data or viruses etc.? I'd prefer not to have to learn a new OS if I can avoid it. If it's unavoidable though, what is the best linux distro for running Reaper and do they come with WINE and JACK etc. pre installed? I really hate Windows 10 and can't face the idea of caving into it, but linux seems complicated and I'm having trouble deciding what to do. I'm wondering if I should just disconnect my computers from the internet to reduce risk and just keep running Windows 7 indefinitely.
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08-08-2019, 06:38 AM | #2 |
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I just upgraded my windows 7 to windows 10 for free. It ran the upgrade for an hour and was done. It works great.
I forget which link I used but here is one. https://www.zdnet.com/article/heres-...ws-10-upgrade/ |
08-08-2019, 07:00 AM | #3 |
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Thanks but as I said, I really don't like windows 10. Win 10 is not really an upgrade when your PC is not brand new, it just slows everything down, too much bloatware, privacy issues, Cortana spies on you and I just hate the aesthetic look of it. That's why I'm looking to Linux, or even better, seeing if I can keep Windows 7.
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08-08-2019, 07:04 AM | #4 |
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I understand. I ran linux for many years and find it a major pita. I also ran
"shut up windows 10" to turn off a lot of things. I'm really happy in windows 10 and have "start menu 10" replacing their menu system. https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 |
08-08-2019, 07:26 AM | #5 |
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I have heard shutup10 recommended before but it still doesnt solve the main issue i have with windows 10 which is the constant need for updates (Shutup10 recommends that you don't disable the win 10 updates). Using an older PC, i think windows 7 is my only option unless I'm willing to learn Linux or buy a Mac. I am ethically against windows 10 and everything it stands for, so I feel quite strongly about not migrating towards it.
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08-08-2019, 07:29 AM | #7 | |
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That said, I setup a dual boot Window 7 and Xubuntu Linux DAW last year with the thinking that I would boot Win7 to do music and disconnect it from the internet. Once I setup REAPER in Linux it started becoming obvious that I didn't need Windows at all. I have all my Windows plugins functioning in Linux, including Kontakt, Superior Drummer, Etc., but since I record mostly real guitar, bass, drums, and other real instruments, I'm not extremely dependent on virtual instruments. Almost all the music on my music page was done 100% in Linux and I don't miss Windows at all. |
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08-08-2019, 07:57 AM | #8 |
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If you are planning to continue to use Windows VST plugins and other Windows software then I recommend you continue to use Windows. It's not impossible to make Windows VST plugins work in Linux but the fact you seem scared to learn about a new OS hints that you might not like jumping through any hoops that are required.
Each OS has things about it that you need to learn. Current Linux distros are lot better at being user-friendly than they used to be, but you will still have to go through some growing pains once in a while. If you are not using any Windows software in Linux then I think the biggest change you'll notice is how you install software. The idea of simply downloading an EXE and installing it is a foreign concept to Linux. You would generally install software through a software / package manager. It's a good system but you are not as free to mess around with different versions of software anytime you want without potentially making a conflict which requires resolving. There are other ways of installing software (for some things which are not available from a package manager) and some are easy to do, but you have to be careful about what you're doing so you don't cause conflicts in your system. Another thing you might not be used to is the idea of running commands in Terminal sometimes. It's easier than ever because there's so much information you can easily search for on the Internet when you need to troubleshoot Linux. But the idea of typing commands like that scares some people off. A lot of times it's not even necessary to use Terminal, but since every distro is going to have Terminal (and the people giving troubleshooting advice want to make it general for as many people as possible), you'll find a lot of troubleshooting advice requires using Terminal. Likewise if someone says you should build a particular software package (some software which is not in a package manager), well in that case you are going to have to be more comfortable using Terminal and doing any housekeeping on the system required. This will take more learning. It's not rocket science but some of it is esoteric when you're coming from Windows. What might make the decision easier to assess is knowing what software you intend to run and if there are any substitutes you find acceptable available as native Linux software. Make a list of the things you find important and maybe we can help you decide if you can substitute the software. Also your particular audio device might not be compatible in certain ways so it's good to mention that too. Lots of audio interfaces work fine in Linux but some of them don't have drivers and also a lot of them won't have the same control panels / mixers available to them (since that part is actually Windows software). I'm running native Linux software only. I installed Jack just for the odd thing; I don't need it for Reaper. I don't have Wine installed. My day-to-day experience in Linux is virtually the same as anyone's in Windows. |
08-08-2019, 08:32 AM | #9 |
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Win10 is not as bad as it was. Cortana can now be fully disabled along with all the other bloat.
Having just done the upgrade after stubbornly refusing to do so for years, I have no regrets and I don't miss anything about 7. With Classic Shell and AeroGlass installed, the experience is almost identical, with some definite improvements. It's definitely faster for me, but I've got a Ryzen. I did tests with LatencyMon to ensure it wasn't my imagination.
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08-08-2019, 08:34 AM | #10 |
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@JamesPeters 100% agree
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As far as VST plugins go, I'm using almost zero Windows audio plugins and have found free and paid native Linux audio plugins that work just as well as the Windows ones I have, but for VSTi instrument plugins, the selection of native Linux plugs is more sparse, so I use Kontakt, Arturia Minimoog, Toontrack's EZ-Keys, EZ-Drummer, and Superior Drummer plus a few others with zero issues. I do also have a fully functional and set in stone version of Windows 7 as an alternate boot up option. I deactivated the network interface for the Win7 side, and did have to re-activate Windows 7 using the touch tone phone option, but now it will work till Hell freezes over without network connectivity or until I smoke it for the space it is taking up on my SSD. Also, Windows 7 updates are failing on ALL my Windows 7 boxes because Microsoft is rolling out the same nagging they did several years ago with their heavy handed attempt to force you into Windows 10. I disabled all the mechanisms they were using then, and now the last time updates tried to install on my last Win7 machines, it fails and rolls back which is fine with me as one machine is permanently off the internet now, and the other final Win7 box will be converted to Xubuntu before the year is out. |
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08-08-2019, 12:38 PM | #12 |
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There are tweaks that should help. See the sticky thread in the "Live" forum.
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So I had to change to Linux..; and no regrets yet!! It all gets better |
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08-10-2019, 05:48 AM | #15 | |
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That said, I'm typing this from a fresh install of Linux Lite on my laptop to see if I can get used to it and get Reaper working on here. I think my main hurdle will be getting all my plugins to work. If all goes well on my laptop, I will bite the bullet and go for it on my main desktop. |
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08-10-2019, 06:17 AM | #16 |
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Since watching this i don't feel so bad anymore. Thanks for the replies guys. |
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His 60 days to get used to Linux is about right. For me, most stuff worked right away. A few things took more tweaking, but now a little more than a year since setting up a dual boot Win7/Xubuntu DAW, with the default set to load Linux, when I boot Win7 it feels like the foreign OS to me.
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like Spybot Search & Destroy, to see if they will maintain support. Then get good at cloning your system, and hopefully you can use a software collection that is easy to reinstall if darkness should fall. In the long run, having win 7 and a few different linux setups will enable some experimentation, without fear of catastrophy. Malware is not omnipresent, and for windows, a network cable is easy to disconnect. and you can refuse visiting dodgy websites, only going online to register a must-have product. Windows ten is like a grenade with the pin pulled being passed around at a holiday bonfire... "Who is feeling lucky tonight?" |
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08-11-2019, 03:49 AM | #19 |
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Is Linux immune to the CPU blabla doors and what have we? might as well pull the plug and turn off the phone, move to the forrest and if you go Linux today, is not your past whole life on big brothers/"WATSON's brain anyway already?
I think Linux for music is just waiting for more people to add to the stats so companies see the ohh-lalaah, or something. Not as much meh's as it used to be, even SmajjL can manage with the wealth of helpfull Linus peoples.
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Microcode must be loaded BEFORE the OS even begins to boot and is not written permanently to your CPU, but is rather installed to your computer's RAM, then the CPU is pointed to look for it there, rather than the microcode that is static and on the CPU, so it must be loaded every time, just before the OS begins to boot. In Linux, to see what vulnerabilities have or have not been mitigated, issue the following command in a terminal window. grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/* |
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08-11-2019, 11:18 AM | #21 |
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Thanks Glennbo! Time for a dualboot thingie again then, and hope Windows will turn out to be more a Gameing OS and my gameing activity will be all they get!
Although I hear some stuff has happened in that area also on Linux. Not as hardcore bitter as some, but I actually love Linux enviroment and the community, why not? - so it shall be done!
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I figure at some point I'll need some storage space and will end up nuking the whole 120 GB Win7 side, but for now I'm leaving it just for Steam. Everything involving REAPER I do in Linux. |
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08-11-2019, 05:01 PM | #23 |
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Hey Doppel
Ahh yeah, it was this I was thinking about guys, and rFactor2 is Gold? Alright-y-then, must try that also, just hope controllers work also. https://www.protondb.com/ Must Youtube that, the support list has groooown! dauym Got f12017 for ex just because they chose to support Linux with that one, also raceing fan.
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So, Linux Mint 19.2 Tina I get this. /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/l1tf:Mitigation: PTE Inversion /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/mds:Mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/meltdown:Mitigation: PTI /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spec_store_bypass:Mitigation: Speculative Store Bypass disabled via prctl and seccomp /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v1:Mitigation: usercopy/swapgs barriers and __user pointer sanitization /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/spectre_v2:Mitigation: Full generic retpoline, IBPB: conditional, IBRS_FW, STIBP: conditional, RSB filling Good enough or?
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/sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities/mds:Mitigation: Clear CPU buffers; SMT vulnerable According to this site it looks like you have a vulberability with SMT, but it also looks like Linux is clearing the CPU buffers as a backdoor fix for it. https://www.kernel.org/doc/html/late...-vuln/mds.html Edit: Also note that pretty much none of those mitigations would be happening with Windows 7. Last edited by Glennbo; 08-13-2019 at 08:44 PM. |
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1. Management comes in and says "We have to support cell phones in windows 8". 2. Devs "It will require an entire rewrite of the gui engine and take a few years. 3. You have 3 months. 4. Devs "fuck it" |
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08-08-2019, 09:30 AM | #27 | |
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One of the lightest desktops is xfce, and it works great on older hardware which is why I initially chose it for a MythTV server in a back room. Later when I started trying different flavors of Linux on my DAW, I found that the lightweight xfce desktop in Xubuntu was my favorite there as well, after trying Manjaro, Mint, MX Linux, Ubuntu, AV Linux, and some others. |
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08-08-2019, 10:38 AM | #29 |
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Thanks for the offer James, but I have never used anything that hooks itself into REAPER unless it comes straight from Cockos. I've had multiple bad experiences with other products when there were too many 3rd party cooks in the kitchen, and since I record pretty straight forward just like using rolls of old school 1" tape, I don't find myself really needing more than the basic tool set that a stock REAPER offers for multi-track recording of performances and then playing them back.
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08-08-2019, 10:54 AM | #30 |
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If you use plugins, it's essentially the same thing as loading SWS - except SWS would be safer since some of those devs are/were so closely aligned with Reaper. Not to kick you guys in the nuts or anything but the SWS reasoning given is kind of weird.
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Besides, press record, play something, press play, hear something. How would SWS extensions make that better for me, coz it's all I need in REAPER. |
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08-08-2019, 11:20 AM | #32 |
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Right, I just meant the hooked in danger/worry. No biggie.
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08-08-2019, 11:07 AM | #33 |
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Yup. If REAPER starts acting weird, I have fewer places to look for where the root of the problem stems.
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