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02-20-2020, 12:18 PM
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Who is still using hardware?
Reaper has lots of Vst plugins and some Vsti instruments and of course lots of plugins are available that can be purchased or downloaded for free.
Although the quality of plugins today is very good, there are hardware pedals, soundmodules, drum machines, synths and keyboards that can not be replaced by a plugin.
I love my BOSS pedals especialy an old OD1 made in Japan and the e-pianos of Yamaha S80 and my Cry Baby Wah and some stuff for drums and guitar amps.
What hardware do you still use - maybe a Mini Moog, Oberheim, Lexicon reverb, Fender Rhodes...?
that you would never sell?
Guitars, Bass, real brass and real string instruments should be excluded, no way a plugin could replace it, of course.
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02-20-2020, 12:32 PM
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I have a Yamaha SK30 - an extremely limited pre-MIDI synth but it just has some sort of magic quality that i can't recreate - i love the fullbucket plugins for string machine sounds and VCV rack for monosynth leads, but they can't compete with the SK30's basic sounds and i can't figure out why.
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02-20-2020, 12:52 PM
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Had to google your Yamaha synth (1979/80), never heard of it, really seems to be an interesting synth.
I suppose it is similar to SK 20, just listened to it on youtube - great!, I love it.
https://youtu.be/1XoggegxmZg
Yes and I know why you still have it, no plugin can make these sounds
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02-20-2020, 01:02 PM
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yeah, it's actually quite limited in terms of the sounds it makes, but it's got some sort of indescribable warmth that i really love.
I do think fullbucket do a pretty good job of giving those kinds of sounds in free plugins though.
https://www.fullbucket.de/music/vst.html
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02-20-2020, 01:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Naji
I suppose it is similar to SK 20,
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i'd love to get my hands on an SK50 - the biggest in the SK family
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02-20-2020, 01:17 PM
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Thanks, I will download some synths, hope it's 64 bit.
I would like to have Oberheim OB SX and LINN LM1 haha
just because Prince's 1999 album is one of my fav ones
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02-20-2020, 01:31 PM
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02-20-2020, 01:50 PM
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A big yes I have
Compressors, preamps my wifes Korg synth a small mixer, a reverb unit and eq's.
I would not be without them they all have tone and they do not need updates.
A little maintenance now and then.
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02-20-2020, 06:51 PM
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Korg ARP Odyssey
Korg Microkorg
Vermona DRM 1 MKIII analog drum synth
..and a custom made 2 string bass guitar are my main instruments. It's not just about sound - I realised quite a long time ago that I don't like using virtual instruments - just doesn't inspire me.
And now Behringer are producing so many cheap analog synths (that sound incredible) I don't see myself ever having a need to use anything virtual again really.
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02-20-2020, 07:29 PM
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i have a few Korg synths (DW8000, DS8, Poly 800 & microkorg) and i don't feel they sound any better than what i can get from plugins - so i'm a little surprised they've come up twice in this discussion (as "irreplaceable" or "unsellable" or whatever this thread is about) i only really use them for MIDI keyboard duties these days. Each to their own though.
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02-20-2020, 07:32 PM
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Intreaging Blade Runner please expand sound-wise?
Have not seen you in these pages a while!
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02-20-2020, 09:18 PM
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@bladerunner
It is the same here, Vsti plugins have tons of sounds or presets, but it is way better to touch and feel keys or knobs and why would one need more than one, two or three very good sounds, you can still add some fx.
A piano player you may have one Bosendorfer or Steinway with one sound only and he/she'd be happy.
@domzy
this thread is about hardware gear or instruments still in use.
I also once had a Korg DS8, but did not like it very much, kind of cold synth,
but for special music styles maybe interesting
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02-20-2020, 09:49 PM
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I stopped using hardware by and large in 2009.... midi controllers, mostly for the past 11 years.
But... these days (2020):
Casio PX-160 (for my main piano-feel/sound needs)
Novation Circuit
Elektron Model:Samples
Korg Microsampler
Yamaha Reface CP
Korg Microkorg XL+
and soon again, a Nord... probably an Electro 6D 61-key (I really miss that Nord Piano Library, connected to a digital piano for the weighted keys)
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02-21-2020, 01:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Naji
It is the same here, Vsti plugins have tons of sounds or presets, but it is way better to touch and feel keys or knobs and why would one need more than one, two or three very good sounds, you can still add some fx.
A piano player you may have one Bosendorfer or Steinway with one sound only and he/she'd be happy.
@domzy
this thread is about hardware gear or instruments still in use.
I also once had a Korg DS8, but did not like it very much, kind of cold synth,
but for special music styles maybe interesting
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i agree that it's better to be able to tweak stuff physically etc. but you said originally about stuff still in use that you wouldn't / couldn't replace - i have lots of hardware (synths, fx, mixer etc) that i still use, but mostly this is just due to inertia, laziness, historical reasons, and i would consider it all pretty much easily replaceable with plugins & controllers (except the SK30) - i wasn't trying to be rude, just surprised that folks consider things like microkorg unsellable etc.
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02-21-2020, 02:44 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by domzy
i have a few Korg synths (DW8000, DS8, Poly 800 & microkorg) and i don't feel they sound any better than what i can get from plugins - so i'm a little surprised they've come up twice in this discussion (as "irreplaceable" or "unsellable" or whatever this thread is about) i only really use them for MIDI keyboard duties these days. Each to their own though.
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Originally Posted by Naji
@bladerunner
It is the same here, Vsti plugins have tons of sounds or presets, but it is way better to touch and feel keys or knobs and why would one need more than one, two or three very good sounds, you can still add some fx.
A piano player you may have one Bosendorfer or Steinway with one sound only and he/she'd be happy.
@domzy
this thread is about hardware gear or instruments still in use.
I also once had a Korg DS8, but did not like it very much, kind of cold synth,
but for special music styles maybe interesting
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At least in terms of electronic sounds the thread highlights flawed thinking based on attachment to physical hardware's physical properties; Singing the virtues of acoustic instruments performing live in real spaces is something else.
The problem with the argument here is that is MIDI controllers can offer the most direct control over musical performance properties. Consider ribbons, breath controllers, advanced MPE controllers such as Seaboards, expression pedals, EWI and so on.
So you could ask yourself what constitutes hardware. Sitting at a desk with multiple MIDI controllers including programmable knobs and faders it's all clearly hardware of sorts. OTOH some people don't even have a single MIDI controller. They program all their music in the piano roll -just the user and the laptop - this to me is the true departure from musical expression - but I applaud this option for people that are physically disabled.
I'm not against classic hardware, that would silly. I do question the belief in inherent superiority of hardware per se. This goes to the level where users are buying low powered DSP toy synths, one oscillator analogue toys, crappy entry level pedals bettered by VSTs. All things they will forget (or upgrade from) in about in 5 mins (contributing to global warming ), but it's the real deal cos it's hardware!
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02-21-2020, 02:50 AM
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^this^
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02-21-2020, 06:38 AM
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I use hardware: a computer, computer keyboard and mouse.
I also have:
Korg MS-20 (1980 vintage, getting a bit flakey)
Korg Delta (1980 vintage, basically not working)
Casio CZ-101 (mid 80's, might still be working)
Casio VL-1 (mid 80's)
Roland TR 606 drum machine (mid 80's)
Arturia MicroBrute (recently acquired)
Additionally I have a Novation 25 SL MkII. It's a controller, so I guess it doesn't count as a hardware synth, but it's a fine line.
Except for the computer, most of this hardware never gets used. The synths can be fun, but they are hardly necessary. If I had the space, I would get them repaired, have them set up permanently and maybe use them more. I wouldn't part with any of them, but maybe that's just nostalgia.
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02-21-2020, 07:25 AM
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It is great that one can combine the hardware and the software world.
NI Komplete is a good example, why I am tired of most VSTi instruments.
Lots of plugins, but about 80% crap and the synths I never used. Absynth or Massive or... with many many presets and you can tweak the sound with lots of virtual knobs, most of the presets sound so bad to me, that I can not imagine how to use these plugins in a music production. It is the same with Reaktor, maybe three or four instruments I can use sometimes, but many many silly stuff. Every Roland, Yamaha, Korg etc. synth has way better sounds and especially some analogue synths.
I do not intend to attack NI, they make a pretty good job, sometimes Monark, Battery 3, maybe two accoustic drums and RC48 reverb, that is the whole magic of NI Komplete for me and it is ok for me, I do not want my money back haha
Lexicon 480L would cost more than NI Komplete, so...!
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02-21-2020, 07:29 AM
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Thinking of this https://www.thomann.de/se/search_dir...Behringer+TD-3
Because it sounds ok and so cheap one can have a new wallpaper..
Maby not, not sure, if I get one thing maby I will go mental and ALL IN analogs and what have we?
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02-21-2020, 07:42 AM
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I have not noticed til now that Behringer produce synths!? I am surprised.
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02-21-2020, 07:45 AM
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They have gone nutts! (in a good way) not complaining.
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02-21-2020, 07:55 AM
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i have a nord modular g2 from 2007 and i love it! Next to it an axoloti.
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02-21-2020, 10:32 AM
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Not sure that it qualifies as hardware, but I use my pedal board (Wah, Tone Press, Tube Screamer, Boss Distortion, Phase 90, and my Fender BassBreaker amp controls. XLR out to the interface.
I do use Ignite Amps for cab emulation.
I used the Voxengo Boogex plugin for awhile. It was OK but I've got over 1500 dollars tied up in my gear so it seemed like a waste not to use it.
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02-21-2020, 11:03 PM
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nothing but..........................
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02-22-2020, 10:10 AM
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Behringer Model D
A lot of bang for the buck.
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02-22-2020, 10:13 AM
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02-22-2020, 10:16 AM
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02-22-2020, 10:18 AM
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Hey, this is hardware too, right?
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02-22-2020, 11:51 AM
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Only thing comparable between my setup and yours is, we both need new chairs!!
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02-22-2020, 02:28 PM
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Quote:
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Only thing comparable between my setup and yours is, we both need new chairs!!
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LOL, nice setup.
I replaced the chair btw, by one of those mesh seat / back chairs, on sale at OfficeMax. Highly recommended, they are super comfortable.
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02-22-2020, 04:54 PM
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let's see...
Behringer Model D
Behringer Deepmind 12
Elektron Analog Heat MKII
MPC Live
Strymon Timeline, Bigsky, El Capistan
I really do like the immediacy of the Behringer synths I have. The MPC is great for doing stuff when I feel like not being in the studio. I don't mind using virtual instruments, but hardware is more fun for me.
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02-22-2020, 11:06 PM
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In this thread I heard for the first time about Behringer synths. And then I watched some videos on youtube.
Especially the deepmind seems to be very very good.
I think Behringer is clever and know that a lot of people are not satisfued with Vsti instruments, that's why they have developed so many different synths
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02-24-2020, 10:54 AM
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Quote:
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Intreaging Blade Runner please expand sound-wise?
Have not seen you in these pages a while!
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Hey Grinder, Well they took the lounge away lol!! No I've just been busy with mastering work mainly. People will disagree of course but I've not heard anything in software that nails the ARP sound and nothing beats hands on with slider/knob per function synths. I've been down the midi controller route a few times in the past (things like Novation Zero SL) but I find it a major faff around setting these things up and I get bogged in the too-much-choice arena of vsti's. I seemed to be forever trying synths out rather than using them.. I really like having the hardware around - makes me feel like a proper musician lol. And that's not to look down on anyone who does things differently - most of the music I ever had released was all done entirely in software using the mouse to pencil in notes so I've done things that way myself.
Same story with the Vermona drum synth - such a raw analog sound. I have this permanently going through a Samson C Com 16 hardware compressor (which I picked up for £25 recently) for a bit of a squash and beef up. That takes care of most of my percussion needs in a way I've never been able to satisfactorily achieve in software. This thing is knob heaven - 72 of 'em - knob per function again.
The Microkorg is for pads, strings and - as it turns out - bass - this synth has a very beefy bottom end surprisingly. There's not really anything in it that can't be replicated in software but I love the little thing.
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02-24-2020, 12:44 PM
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Thanks Bladerunner speaking from the heart!
I have good hardware and I have never regretted it Reaper
copes with it inline too.
Recently upgraded my HD's to 4 SSD's
Even this I swear has upgraded my mix.
I put this down to efficiency, I reckon the reproduced timing has improved, makes the sound more thrusting cohesive. I will always purchase hardware to go with Digital.
I had a Behringer euro desk 48 track years ago I gave it away it was still going fine except one channel had bummed out.
In those days people had not a lot to say about behringer I thought it was good stuff.
I had mixers from others they were not as good (in bands at that time).
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02-24-2020, 01:09 PM
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I still use a dozen of pedals (half of which are overdrive/distortion/fuzz), a tube amp and a mic for recording electric guitar.
I use a Korg Minilogue xd for most of my synth sounds and a Casio PX-5S for my piano/e-piano sounds. I could probably sell these on but not without replacing them with something else.
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02-24-2020, 01:12 PM
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10.000 years ago, I lended a Behringer gate to a death-scream-metal-mate, It Blew Up, started smelling.. but that was then..
They even make FX pedals I see, many guitarists here I figure?
Would be nice to have a few (5?) HW that is nothing alike and can produce what ever sound I hear on the radio or in my head and hopefully cheaper than a Tesla - Model Y
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02-24-2020, 05:26 PM
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I use:
- Alesis QSR (rack version of the QS8 keyboard) controlled by a Korg DW-8000 keyboard
- Roland GR20 and GR33 synths, controlled by guitars
- Roland TD3 drum kit
These give me a very versatile selection of sounds to work with, and consume zero hard drive space.
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03-03-2020, 09:48 AM
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Roland A-300 pro, AKGtube mic, Reaper daw,
YAMAHA S90, unitor 8, Sennheiser HD265 linear, Roland VS 1680.
Roland VS 1680
is a gem, I use it as mic amp with a great noise surpressor, de esser
and LC with ultra-clear sound or for E-guitar with awesome amps.
VS 1680 is one if the best things I bought for music and still in use!
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03-03-2020, 10:34 AM
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I use drum hardware.
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03-04-2020, 07:41 AM
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Putting the finishing touches on my own studio... here's some hardware:
Acoustical treatments arriving this week...
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