Dear Gods! please ...

deeb · 02-22-2020, 12:17 AM

Please allow me to use automation in creative way
Please allow me to learn sends and mute and volume per track in a useful way!

There are hundreds of things i could ask for (and i asked) but without this ones it's not possible to do my next album in reaper which i would like so so so much to use.

ivansc · 02-22-2020, 01:41 AM

That`s a bit if a sweeping generalisation, Deeb. Exactly what sort of things do you want to be able to do?

deeb · 02-22-2020, 02:44 AM

i know i know! but the gods know what i mean!
i wrote about it in manny places already.
- is not simple to deal with automations and AIs in general when you have to use it in detail hundreds/thousands of times in a project. No area selection and distinction between AI and Items is unlogical. example drag to copy both selected AI and Item results that just AI is copied , and manny other actions which should share same idea, ..
- we can't learn volume , mute and sends volume per track without being dependent on track order or external things like realearn which add a lot of latency.

And both this things are too fundamental for me.

deeb · 02-22-2020, 03:21 AM

ivansc: in terms of envelopes i can do anything in terms of being able to , the problem is that it does not flow , . every experimentation takes too long since is too strict, lot's of conditions and clicking necessary. This multiplied by hundreds or thousands of times is a huge breaker. At the end the resulting music suffers.

mschnell · 02-22-2020, 04:38 AM

Can't you have somebody do a script that makes these envelopes be manageable in a "deeby" way ?

AFAIU, the CSI Reaper extension seems do do a perfect job to manage sends and mute and volume per track in a useful way.

-Michael

Coachz · 02-22-2020, 06:14 AM

If you cant do an album in Reaper you should try a new hobby.

deeb · 02-22-2020, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Coachz

If you cant do an album in Reaper you should try a new hobby.

much love to you !

Eddy · 02-22-2020, 06:57 AM

delete

deeb · 02-22-2020, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by mschnell

Can't you have somebody do a scrip that makes these envelopes be manageable in a "deeby" way ?

nope and It's not in a deeb way, .. it's in like in pretty much all other major DAWs way which reaper lacks (aka Area/Range Selection) and also the way modifiers applied on selected items and AI don't care about each others.

Some example: All this action should be applled to both items types: the copying, the move item content modifier, the split, the trimming and even delete (which is not in the gif)

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Originally Posted by mschnell

AFAIU, the CSI Reaper extension seems to do a perfect job to manage sends and mute and volume per track in a useful way.

AFAIU, i Cant setup in a way that with 2 controllers i can take care of 16 tracks (8 tracks for each controller) in random project positions to which i can learn vol, mute and sends and also being able in future to add other controllers to this schema, keeping full flexibility and the way i want.

Basically achieving the same as if was possible to learn vol, mute and sends level like we can for plugins parameters.

mschnell · 02-22-2020, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by deeb

AFAIU, i Cant setup in a way that with 2 controllers

CSI can combine multiple (would be) Control Surface Devices to a virtual single device, and it can Reaper activities / actions in a very flexible way to any available controls.

Maybe you should ask Geoff over in the CSI thread.

-Michael (Deeply hating any "learn" as same imposes unnecessary constrains for a fake "ease of use")

deeb · 02-22-2020, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mschnell

CSI can combine multiple (would be) Control Surface Devices to a virtual single device, and it can Reaper activities / actions in a very flexible way to any available controls.

Maybe you should ask Geoff over in the CSI thread.

i don't think so , but thanks. you quoted 1/6 of my sentence

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Originally Posted by mschnell

-Michael (Deeply hating any "learn" as same imposes unnecessary constrains for a fake "ease of use")

ohh ok! it's easy of use for plugin parameters but not for sends, volume and mute?

enroe · 02-22-2020, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by deeb

There are hundreds of things i could ask for ...

Maybe it is better if you investigate your most important
missing feature. And then you could take only this one
important feature and present it as "feature request"?

Demanding hundreds of things to be done by a tiny small
developer crew overwhelms and crushs to death - figuratively.

deeb · 02-22-2020, 10:20 AM

yeah enroe, i did a lot investigation and spent too manny time, lot's of requests but you never know what they decide to implement and their thoughts. Even if i just maded this 2 requests would be the same. If anyone as patience search my requests and you'll see 95% of them are not stupid.

peter5992 · 02-22-2020, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by deeb

Please allow me to use automation in creative way
Please allow me to learn sends and mute and volume per track in a useful way!

There are hundreds of things i could ask for (and i asked) but without this ones it's not possible to do my next album in reaper which i would like so so so much to use.

I don't really understand the problem ... I use automation all the time, arm a track, choose the parameter you want to modify (volume, midi, etc.) and off you go.

Are you using midi controllers, or a motorized fader?

deeb · 02-22-2020, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by peter5992

I don't really understand the problem ... I use automation all the time, arm a track, choose the parameter you want to modify (volume, midi, etc.) and off you go.

Are you using midi controllers, or a motorized fader?

the problem with automation is that is primitive the way of copying and manny unlogical behaviours that i mentioned in this thread and in other places.

Normal midi controllers.

They know about the problem.

enroe · 02-22-2020, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by deeb

yeah enroe, i did ... you'll see 95% of them are not stupid.

I know, I know. And I don't think that any of your suggestions
is stupid or superfluous.

It is just the quantity, which is amazing (!), but also
intimidating if you want somebody to put all these into effect.

grinder · 02-22-2020, 10:35 AM

Yes if you are loosing so much energy creative thinking and energy fixating on
what you perceive as negative happenings you do need to go to a DAW you feel would fit your many needs!
Be kind to yourself.

Grinder

nofish · 02-22-2020, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by deeb

Please allow me to learn sends and mute and volume per track in a useful way!

Agreed here.
E.g. for sends we have only this (natively):

Depends on track selection, no way to have fixed assigments for several tracks/sends at once.

deeb · 02-23-2020, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by enroe

It is just the quantity, which is amazing (!), but also
intimidating if you want somebody to put all these into effect.

Hehe sorry , some of them is just pushing forward , some others dreams , some others really needed in my point of view. They choose what's good for them, until now that I remember I had one filled: p_ext.
Anyway !

deeb · 02-23-2020, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by grinder

Yes if you are loosing so much energy creative thinking and energy fixating on
what you perceive as negative happenings you do need to go to a DAW you feel would fit your many needs!
Be kind to yourself.

Grinder

Yep yep! Thank you

deeb · 02-23-2020, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by nofish

Agreed here.
E.g. for sends we have only this (natively):

Depends on track selection, no way to have fixed assigments for several tracks/sends at once.

we have also this: from track 1 to track 99 , .. but it's very useless

jerome_oneil · 02-23-2020, 10:28 AM

Dear Deeb,

Practice a lot. Listen a lot.

Sincerely,

God

dug dog · 02-23-2020, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by deeb

i know i know! but the gods know what i mean!

Then, surely, it is done.

SmajjL · 02-24-2020, 12:52 PM

Yes My Son, what do you need?
Would not that be great if it happened?

Coachz · 02-24-2020, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SmajjL

Yes My Son, what do you need?
Would not that be great if it happened?

God, what kind of mixer is that?

SmajjL · 02-24-2020, 01:00 PM

eum eum-eum - ask Bob Katz..

Philbo King · 02-24-2020, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by deeb

Please allow me to use automation in creative way
Please allow me to learn sends and mute and volume per track in a useful way!

There are hundreds of things i could ask for (and i asked) but without this ones it's not possible to do my next album in reaper which i would like so so so much to use.

It seems to me it is better to determine what you want to do before figuring out what tools will get you there.

deeb · 02-24-2020, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Philbo King

It seems to me it is better to determine what you want to do before figuring out what tools will get you there.

I know exactly what I need ! If you read the thread I think it's pretty much exposed. I have all life to develope but I am trained in music and production experienced. I know what I am doing and what I would like to have in reaper. I do electronic music, I am sure if I was recording my intrument only and use some library to make bass and some drum loops I would t have same concerns and easily reaper as is would be great and wouldn't make a Difference. I know My musics sound worst in reaper then In other daws because of what is mentioned In the first topic and in this thread.

Thank you