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This thread is dedicated notation view/editor bugs, feature requests, and comments.
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Old 02-12-2016, 06:18 PM   #2
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Bugs

1. Reaper uses incorrect notation font in some cases
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...60&postcount=4)

2. Scrubbing jumps to future measure
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...6&postcount=22)

3. Move edit cursor left/right by grid action does not work as expected

4. If you set Grid to a triplet setting, and have Notes: Grid -then you will get triplets in notation. However pauses are not added automatically if you'd manually enter a note.
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...4&postcount=43)

5. If you zoom and scroll a bit (or sometimes just add or move around notes) the play cursor is shying away from the mouse cursor when trying to grab it.
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...4&postcount=43)

6.The changes from 1/8 to 1/16 and back are really buggy. No proper Staff beaming and it results in wrong musical measures. try it in 3/4. You enter a 1/8 Note, change to 1/16 and can enter the next note a 1/16 later while the 1/8 is still there.
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=49)

7. When you change the visibility of tracks, the staff view changes only after mouse over.
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=49)

8. Correct rhythmic limits/construction when editing note lengths
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...8&postcount=55)

9. Alt-drag, ctrl-drag, shift-drag inserted text (f,pp..etc) crashes Reaper.
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...0&postcount=67
fixed 5.20pre2

10. Alt-drag, ctrl-drag, shift-drag lyrics crashes Reaper.
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...0&postcount=67
fixed 5.20pre2

11. Phrase line and texts over notes fall on each other.
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...0&postcount=67

12. Crescendo and diminuendo symbols cannot be stretched.
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...0&postcount=67

13. 32nd note flag visual error
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...7&postcount=73)

14. green bar interfering with note visualization
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...7&postcount=73)+

15. Unexpected view quantize behavior
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...3&postcount=77)

16. Rests not updating correctly
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...1&postcount=88)

17. Measure numbers difficult to read
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=100)

18. Incorrect spacing with multiple notes of varying length
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=106)

19. Phrase deleted on undo
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=109

20. Inconsistent behavior when dragging notes backward
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=111)

21. Move dynamics below staff
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=156
fixed pre8

22. Slurs clash with beaming and text
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=159

23. Slurs lost when closing/opening editor
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=159
fixed pre4

24. When colour notes by pitch is selected, the selection bars are not being coloured to reflect that. Instead they're uniformly green
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=196

25. Multiple note extend / grid bug
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=252

26. Note movement bug
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=252

27. Rests in voice 1 should be independent of voice 2 and vice versa.
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=302
fixed pre7

28. Tied notes vanish on zoom
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=304

29. Problematic system spacing with extreme ledger lines
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=305

30. Bottom staff not completely visible at some zoom levels
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=308

31. Whole measure and half note rest misplaced
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=315

32. Accidental and notehead spacing a little small per normal convention
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=315

33. Redundant beam
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=325

34. Key signature spacing issue
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=363

35. Unexpected note length change behavior
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=358

36. Getting a crash when I add a phrase to notes with octave change notation and when adding octave notation to slurred notes.
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=465

37. Move to edit cursor action doesn't work in notation view. Works as expected in piano roll.

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Old 02-12-2016, 06:20 PM   #3
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Feature requests

1. Print/PDF support

2. Adjust stem direction per MIDI channel
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...4&postcount=36)

3. Layout control to address overlapping
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...4&postcount=36)
Related: additional space between notes for easier reading
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=148)

4. Tie text to notes
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...4&postcount=36)

5. Color note heads (similar to piano roll)
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=37)

6. Key signatures at project level (similar to tempo)
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...8&postcount=38)
resolved - can set key per measure

7. show a preview of the notes when entering it with mouse
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=49)

8. Manually change the staff beaming, cross staff beaming.
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...5&postcount=49)

9. Visual quantize
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...6&postcount=54)
Available in actions (http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...1&postcount=68)

10. View piano roll, event view, and notation concurrently.

11. Page View
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...0&postcount=67

12. Show/Hide selected notes on score (This is very useful for printing chords)
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...0&postcount=67

13. Option to change the font and font size of inserted text.
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...0&postcount=67

14. Option to show/hide, sequence bar numbers.
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...0&postcount=67

15. Find the chord from selected notes.
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...0&postcount=67

16. Additional note head shapes
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...0&postcount=94)

17. Percussion clef note mapping
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=100)
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=288

18. Augmentation dots should be drawn in spaces
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=124)

19. Tablature style
(http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=144)

20. Actions to change the note length, I can only see ones to change the grid length.
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=156
available in actions

21. Action to set a selected note to a specific length
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=156

22. Actions to insert notes of specific pitches.
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=156
available in actions

23. Separate actions to insert hairpins, dynamics, technique text
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=156
available pre8

24. MusicXML support

25. Allow text events and dynamics to be placed above or below staff (or in the middle in the case of the grand staff).
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=195
available pre8

26. All attached symbols (accent, staccato, etc.) should be placed in a space in the staff or above/below the staff. These marks should not clash with staff lines.
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=195

27. Increase the available attached symbols (bow direction comes to mind immediately, but there are several that can/should be available)... or better yet, allow users to create their own palette of articulations since music fonts tend to include a huge variety).
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=195

28. Allow multiple articulations to be added to a note (staccato and accent for example)
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=195

29. Cross staff beaming on grand staff
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=197

30. Allow for double sharp and double flat (maybe micro accidentals, too). Double accidentals are needed in certain keys where modulation and tonicization takes place.
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=202

31. Allow clef changes per midi item. For example, the track starts in bass clef for 2 or 3 bars, but then the range increase to where tenor, alto or soprano clef becomes more appropriate. This helps keeps notes on one staff instead of numerous ledger lines. This is somewhat common for instruments with wide ranges (like viola, cello, and some wind instruments).
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=202

32. 8ve and 8be signs with proper transposition
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=224

33. Customize barline style
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=229

34. Chord symbols that respond to transposition
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=231

35. Sloping beams
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=235

36. add visual (gray note or something similar) to guide user before committing to note
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=243

37. Dedicated note colors for notation viewer (separate color map from piano roll)
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=255

38. Ability to hide bars and noteheads
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=259

39. Support for transposing instruments
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=263
available pre8

40. Keys should default to correct enharmonic spellings.
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=263

41. User defined minimum rest to support visual quantization.
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=263
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=294

42. Move lyric and text lines above or below staff
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=269
available pre8

43. Various mouse over events
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=295

44. Toggle between straight, triplet, and dotted notes
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=328

45. Action to move to next/previous note/rest
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=328

46. Percussion notation (in conjunction with request 17)
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=372
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=380

47. Multi staff folder view
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=373

48. Single line percussion
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=384

49. Rhythm slashes
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=397

50. Additional articulations
http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=404

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Old 02-12-2016, 06:25 PM   #4
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First bug, this is what I see.

I assume that I need to download a specific music font, correct?

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First bug, this is what I see.

I assume that I need to download a specific music font, correct?

No. Can you tell us what OS you're using?
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Old 02-12-2016, 06:36 PM   #6
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This is awesome, thanks schwa for your effort. Is there an automaticable scroll view for the notation editor in the pipeline?
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No. Can you tell us what OS you're using?
Windows 10 Pro 1511 x64
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Windows 10 Pro 1511 x64
On the latest (slow ring) Windows 10 here, and I don't get that.
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Although it sounds like it's not strictly a music font issue (based on Justin's comment), it may be worth notating that I have several music fonts installed on my system. Some freebies and the ones that came with Notion 5.
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If I've got the correct button chosen, then the Notation toolbar button doesn't toggle its state.
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Although it sounds like it's not strictly a music font issue (based on Justin's comment), it may be worth notating that I have several music fonts installed on my system. Some freebies and the ones that came with Notion 5.
It's definitely a font issue. REAPER comes packaged with the notation font it uses. Most likely your computer is choosing an already-installed one with the same name. We'll figure out why.
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Although it sounds like it's not strictly a music font issue (based on Justin's comment), it may be worth notating that I have several music fonts installed on my system. Some freebies and the ones that came with Notion 5.
I have bravura installed, which was required for the very first version of REAPER notation over a year ago, so not sure if that's something.
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Installed Bravura from http://www.smufl.org/fonts/ and it seemed to fix the issue.

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Windows 10 Pro 1511 x64
Can you tell me the exact path that you installed REAPER into?
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Old 02-12-2016, 07:15 PM   #15
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Notation editor is fantastic, thanks!

Bug: Move edit cursor left/right by grid action does not work as expected
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Installed Bravura from http://www.smufl.org/fonts/ and it seemed to fix the issue.
If you don't mind doing a test, could you uninstall the public/system version of Bravura and see if the notation editor continues to work?
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FR: single staff display option (or automatically for parts with a narrow range.)

in an orchestral score most instruments have a single staff only ... to see many at once...
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Feature request: Printing or PDF export
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when notes are very short and not on the beats I am seeing collisions with rests. A spacing algorithm should ideally be not linearly mapped to time.
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FR editing and adding tempo indications would be awesome!
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Feature request: Printing or PDF export
That will come, but not soon.


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FR: single staff display option (or automatically for parts with a narrow range.)

in an orchestral score most instruments have a single staff only ... to see many at once...
Right click on the clef to change it. There is also an option under View/Piano roll timebase to display a continuous timeline, as opposed to the default page-like view.


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when notes are very short and not on the beats I am seeing collisions with rests. A spacing algorithm should ideally be not linearly mapped to time.
The editor will almost certainly remain linearly spaced, for predictability when entering and editing notes.
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I was just giving it a quick peek and noticed (on a Win XP VM in VirtualBox, so...) that when I drag the red cursor left or right with the mouse, it jumps to a measure in the future (distance seems to depend on zoom level) and wiggles there instead of under my mouse.

If I get a chance i'll test it on a 'real' machine.
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Can you tell me the exact path that you installed REAPER into?
C:\Program Files\REAPER (x64)
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FR editing and adding tempo indications would be awesome!
You can enter text like "andante" or anything else. Hover over the top of the staff until you find the light blue notation lane, and right click. There is also a yellow lyric lane beneath the staff (or between the staves, if viewing treble+bass clef together).
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If you don't mind doing a test, could you uninstall the public/system version of Bravura and see if the notation editor continues to work?
Removed font. Notation remained correct.
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I was just giving it a quick peek and noticed (on a Win XP VM in VirtualBox, so...) that when I drag the red cursor left or right with the mouse, it jumps to a measure in the future (distance seems to depend on zoom level) and wiggles there instead of under my mouse.

If I get a chance i'll test it on a 'real' machine.

That's a bug (happens when scrubbing in a MIDI media item does not start at the beginning of the project), fixing, thanks.
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You can enter text like "andante" or anything else. Hover over the top of the staff until you find the light blue notation lane, and right click. There is also a yellow lyric lane beneath the staff (or between the staves, if viewing treble+bass clef together).
Nice. Which means a JSFX like this (http://forum.cockos.com/showpost.php...&postcount=144) would work well.
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Removed font. Notation remained correct.
Thanks for testing.
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Do the included articulations (including slurs) impact the underlying MIDI?
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Do the included articulations (including slurs) impact the underlying MIDI?
Not at present. Some notation edits, like setting tuplets or creating grace notes, will affect the underlying MIDI. But dynamics, articulations, etc will not.

In the future, we might optionally attach articulations and other notation to VST3 expression messages, but that is not on the immediate horizon.
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Not at present. Some notation edits, like setting tuplets or creating grace notes, will affect the underlying MIDI. But dynamics, articulations, etc will not.

In the future, we might optionally attach articulations and other notation to VST3 expression messages, but that is not on the immediate horizon.
Just a thought, it might make sense to add a text event (or something similar) for on note articulations (such as staccato or slurs) allow keyswitching via JSFX.
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Just a thought, it might make sense to add a text event for these as well to support keyswitching in a JSFX.
Notation and articulations are actually are stored as text events and can be read by jsfx. (Row notation can also be edited in other MIDI editor modes, but note articulations can't, to prevent them from getting detached from the notes they belong to.)

Probably best to start a separate thread about technical/API topics though.
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Notation and articulations are actually are stored as text events and can be read by jsfx. (Row notation can also be edited in other MIDI editor modes, but note articulations can't, to prevent them from getting detached from the notes they belong to.)

Probably best to start a separate thread about technical/API topics though.
Very cool. I'd be very interested to read how those events function.

Notation API thread: http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.p...20#post1636920
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By the way, the editor is already pretty slick. Thank you!
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Old 02-12-2016, 11:56 PM   #35
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Hi Devs, nice work and I will definitely be using this for MIDI viewing/editing

I did however notice some unusual zooming behaviour in that depending upon zoom level a number of measures before the start of the MIDI item being edited may or may not be displayed. Not sure if this is intentional and whether it serves some layout/alignment function?
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Looking goooood! (Btw, what happened to 5.16???)

Pretty exciting actually, this will change a lot of how I work in Reaper - Thank you!

Requests:
1. control over the stems direction so I can for example have two channels in same item having the first channel pointing up, and the other channel down
2. printing (yes, already answered)
3. layout control over bits and pieces, so as to avoid overlapping
4. text tied to notes (does not seem to be the case now? wait maybe, sort of confusing)

oh, my wife begs me to help out at home so got to go hehe
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This is a FR, I realize it's early days but I just want to put this forward as early as possible in case that makes a difference to its eventual implementation:

An option to colour the note heads, just as one can in the piano roll, preferably with the midi note colour map.

I use that all the time in the piano roll, I find it enriches the reading of music with a new dimension of meaning. Would love to see this on the staff too
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Old 02-13-2016, 12:48 AM   #38
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I think key signatures should be treated in a similar way to tempo and time signature, i.e. editable in the project settings and transport bar, and applicable to all midi items unless overridden. They could be changed at the start of any bar as for the time signature.
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Old 02-13-2016, 01:16 AM   #39
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Bug: No support for swing grid in notation view?

Bug: When assigned to a toolbar button, notation view icon is not mutually exclusive to other 3 MIDI editor modes. It should be:



FR: Themeable notation view (background color and staff/note color) so that it doesn't kill my eyes when switching from my dark themed MIDI editor to notation.


Will there be Actions List context for notation view? How about customize menu/toolbar specific to notation view?

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Old 02-13-2016, 01:24 AM   #40
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They could be changed at the start of any bar as for the time signature.
Well, you probably know that by splitting the item this can be achieved? Check out Nicholas draft for notation manual for more.

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