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Old 06-04-2017, 12:38 PM   #1
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Default Poll (Unofficail) Is High-Res/Retina/4K Display Support Important to You?

I am curious...
1.) Is high-res/4K/Retina display support is important to you?
2.) Do you have a display or laptop with a display greater than high-res/4K/Retina display?
3.) Are you planning buying a computer or display that has a high-res/4K/Retina in the future?
4.) Do you think that it would help your work to have a high-res/4K/Retina display?

(anything over 1920x1080 is should be considered high-dpi or high-res for the poll.

Perhaps this as well...
5.) Would you like better touchscreen support?

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Sorry about the heading misspelling.

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Old 06-04-2017, 01:41 PM   #2
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I am curious...
1.) Is high-res/4K/Retina display support is important to you?
2.) Do you have a display or laptop with a display greater than high-res/4K/Retina display?
3.) Are you planning buying a computer or display that has a high-res/4K/Retina in the future?
4.) Do you think that it would help your work to have a high-res/4K/Retina display?

(anything over 1920x1080 is should be considered high-dpi or high-res for the poll.

Perhaps this as well...
5.) Would you like better touchscreen support?

Thanks,
BrendaEM

Sorry about the heading misspelling.
Hi Brenda,
I don't think it would help many users in any truly important ways really. It is just a nice option to have. Helpful, not essential, like multi screens. I have a 21:9 screen now, the extra space is a nice feature, not essential. I wouldn't mind having three of them, but it would only be self indulgence (though three of these would be more useful than 4k, and still cheaper than most 4k screens).
Anyway related threads:
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=186590
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=192644
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=187123

People have two competing requirements/options with 4k. Super high DPI - smoother graphics, invisible pixels (like they experience with any half decent smart phone), and extra screen space, instead of multi screens (which I think is far more useful and realistic currently).

People will expect both in a few years, they will get that option with 8k. A bit pricey at the mo!
http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/...4&sku=210-ALEZ

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Old 06-04-2017, 02:01 PM   #3
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1.) Is high-res/4K/Retina display support is important to you?
No
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2.) Do you have a display or laptop with a display greater than high-res/4K/Retina display?
No
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3.) Are you planning buying a computer or display that has a high-res/4K/Retina in the future?
No (unless it's the lowest common denominator available)
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4.) Do you think that it would help your work to have a high-res/4K/Retina display?
Nope. Just audio related work here.
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5.) Would you like better touchscreen support?
I'd never use it on a computer setup. (Fingerprints on the screen!? OUT!!) Seems to work fine on the iPad when I use it for a remote control though.
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Old 06-04-2017, 03:15 PM   #4
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1.) Is high-res/4K/Retina display support is important to you?
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2.)Do you have a display or laptop with a display greater than high-res/4K/Retina display?
No . . . well, nearly no: 1900 x 1200

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3.) Are you planning buying a computer or display that has a high-res/4K/Retina in the future?
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4.) Do you think that it would help your work to have a high-res/4K/Retina display?
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5.) Would you like better touchscreen support?
Not with my desktop set up. It might be more useful in a portable rig.
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Old 06-04-2017, 03:24 PM   #5
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Seven posts so far and you are apparently obsessed with having things work with your hi res screen...
Unfortunately, there are indeed a lot of people like you who bought hi DPI screens, discovered after the fact that an awful lot of todays productivity software doesnt support them.
As ED pointed out, sometimes you do suffer if you decide to be an early adopter without checking compatibility with the software you plan to use.
If you think this is not the case, you might want to ask around all the other DAW software vendors and see which current applications ARE capable of functioning correctly on a Hi DPI display.
Think you will be surprised at the outcome.

How are you getting on with actually making music with reaper so far?
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Old 06-04-2017, 05:04 PM   #6
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If you think this is not the case, you might want to ask around all the other DAW software vendors and see which current applications ARE capable of functioning correctly on a Hi DPI display.
Think you will be surprised at the outcome.
- Ableton Live 9.1.6 and above
- Apple Logic Pro X
- Bitwig Studio
- Cantabile
- FL Studio 12
- Presonus Studio 3
- Harrison Mixbus

And everybody else is working on it or getting there.

But... I would rather have REAPER fixed with some long standing bugs than Retina support.

Yes, Retina support would be nice and REAPER will support this sooner or later. If you (still) use a low resolution monitor High-Res/Retina/4K support obviously has no purpose. (low budget software....)
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I am curious...
1.) Is high-res/4K/Retina display support is important to you?
2.) Do you have a display or laptop with a display greater than high-res/4K/Retina display?
3.) Are you planning buying a computer or display that has a high-res/4K/Retina in the future?
4.) Do you think that it would help your work to have a high-res/4K/Retina display?

(anything over 1920x1080 is should be considered high-dpi or high-res for the poll.

Perhaps this as well...
5.) Would you like better touchscreen support?

Thanks,
BrendaEM

Sorry about the heading misspelling.
No ... I am currently on 1920 x 1080 (Full HD), that's good enough for me.

I'd like an additional touchscreen Windows Surface Pro, but not for Reaper, but for apps like StaffPad (entering notes by writing them in with a surface pen).
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Don't mean to highjack this thread but I just looked up my monitor specs. It says I have VGA, DVI connector type. What's DVI?

Oh, my res is 1600 x 900 and I guess I am just used to it.
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Robert J: Like I said, surprising in that two of the biggest players in the market, for example are not on your list.
And those that are have much larger development teams than Cockos which of course factors in.
Have you also looked at other non-DAW applications? I got into this in a semi-serious way a while back & was rather surprised at how slowly the Hi DPI screens were being integrated into anything much other than gaming software.
The monitors have been available for quite a while now & in terms of uptake I see the current rate as being significantly slower than on many other major hardware changes.
Also it`s interesting to see how many of the DAWs you cited are either PC-and-Mac or Mac only. Again market driven by Macs with retina screens, I guess.
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I donīt know if these topics are related but I guess they are.
I would like Reaper to better support different resolutions.
This needs a vector based gui, right?

I have to displays (27" monitor + 17" notebook), both are 1920 x 1080.
The notebook looks so f... small I had to scale it up to 125% in windows.
The result is better in terms of readability but blurred and fuzzy.

So I have to say, I donīt need hi-res (yet ??)
I donīt need touch. I like my mouse and my controller keyboard (Nektar LX88+)

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Old 06-05-2017, 01:21 AM   #11
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It's not important or not, it is a must.

Physical size of monitors cannot expand beyond users' physical available space. The trend is clearly moving to HiDPI.

https://www.sven.de/dpi/

Let's talk about people buying 19" 1280*1024 monitors 10-15 years ago, which is 86.27PPI. A 23.8" 1920*1080 monitor already has 92.56PPI, fonts are already noticeably smaller. For 4K display with similar PPI you actually need a 50" screen, stupidly large for desktop use. You actually need to sit farther to see the whole screen without tilting your head like crazy.
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Also it`s interesting to see how many of the DAWs you cited are either PC-and-Mac or Mac only. Again market driven by Macs with retina screens, I guess.
Only Logic X.... Two of them are PC only

It is about audio not visuals, so the priorities are somewhere else (slow uptake). Nevertheless we are heading in high-res/4K/Retina direction.
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Old 06-05-2017, 02:44 AM   #13
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FWIW, as my eyes age my priority is becoming to see everything as large as possible..:S
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I donīt know if these topics are related but I guess they are.
I would like Reaper to better support different resolutions.
This needs a vector based gui, right?

I have to displays (27" monitor + 17" notebook), both are 1920 x 1080.
The notebook looks so f... small I had to scale it up to 125% in windows.
The result is better in terms of readability but blurred and fuzzy.
Good example. It's just a relationship between screen size and resolution. When 1920*1080 is the norm even for 17" screen, the choice is clearly not on consumers' side. There are still some older 18.5" 1366*768 desktop monitors on the market but will people seriously thinking about buying them? The closest thing with similar PPI would be a 26" 1920*1080 one. Anything in between are "smaller". 4K or not is irrelevant.
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Good example. It's just a relationship between screen size and resolution. When 1920*1080 is the norm even for 17" screen, the choice is clearly not on consumers' side. There are still some older 18.5" 1366*768 desktop monitors on the market but will people seriously thinking about buying them? The closest thing with similar PPI would be a 26" 1920*1080 one. Anything in between are "smaller". 4K or not is irrelevant.
I would have bought my audio notebook with a lower resolution just because of this fact.
High end notebooks (as my audio nb clearly is) are simply no longer available with not full hd.
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1.) Is high-res/4K/Retina display support is important to you?
No
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2.) Do you have a display or laptop with a display greater than high-res/4K/Retina display?
No
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3.) Are you planning buying a computer or display that has a high-res/4K/Retina in the future?
Not right now
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4.) Do you think that it would help your work to have a high-res/4K/Retina display?
Could be
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5.) Would you like better touchscreen support?
Not on my radar
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1.) Is high-res/4K/Retina display support is important to you?
Certainly. Its part of my job.
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2.) Do you have a display or laptop with a display greater than high-res/4K/Retina display?
Yes, several.
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3.) Are you planning buying a computer or display that has a high-res/4K/Retina in the future?
Yes, that's everyone's future.
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4.) Do you think that it would help your work to have a high-res/4K/Retina display?
No / maybe a bit / shrug. The push towards hiDpi isn't necessarily functionality lead, but I don't think that's anything that needs to be apologised for.
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(anything over 1920x1080 is should be considered high-dpi or high-res for the poll.
Be careful you're not reinforcing a misunderstanding here - pixel count alone doesn't tell you anything. To use a ridiculously extreme example, Mitsubishi stadium boards have a resolution of 4864 x 2176. But they're the size of two double beds...
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Absolutely. Though my experience with touch screen projects is that they don't score nearly as well with users as you expected them too, so my enthusiasm is tempered.
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We will have stinking rich power users using triple 8k screen setups before you know it. Currently that kind of layout would buy you a good new car. 5-10 yrs time that won't even be a remarkable setup.

People will still be moaning that their favourite obscure VST never got an upgrade. Use a magnifying glass to find it on screen!
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1.) Is high-res/4K/Retina display support is important to you?

no

2.) Do you have a display or laptop with a display greater than high-res/4K/Retina display?

no

3.) Are you planning buying a computer or display that has a high-res/4K/Retina in the future?

no

4.) Do you think that it would help your work to have a high-res/4K/Retina display?

no

5.) Would you like better touchscreen support?

no
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People will still be moaning that their favourite obscure VST never got an upgrade. Use a magnifying glass to find it on screen!
And their fingertips are bigger than the whole plugin window...
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1.) Is high-res/4K/Retina display support is important to you?

Somewhat.


2.) Do you have a display or laptop with a display greater than high-res/4K/Retina display?

I have a MacBook Pro with Retina as well as many other displays


3.) Are you planning buying a computer or display that has a high-res/4K/Retina in the future?

Not immediately, but my studio displays are getting old, in the next year I may replace.


4.) Do you think that it would help your work to have a high-res/4K/Retina display?

In some circumstances it is helpful on the laptop to maximize the workspace. That said, as I age, my glasses must compensate for how tiny things get, when I am tired I lower the res. Other magnification options for certain window types would be appreciated.
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No (unless it's the lowest common denominator available)
Nope. Just audio related work here.
I'd never use it on a computer setup. (Fingerprints on the screen!? OUT!!) Seems to work fine on the iPad when I use it for a remote control though.
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Yeah um, is there a display made that will help start to repair my vision that's getting a little stressed from staring at the computer screen too much? Because that's actually what I want.
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And their fingertips are bigger than the whole plugin window...
Check out the toolbar on 8k
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Only Logic X.... Two of them are PC only

It is about audio not visuals, so the priorities are somewhere else (slow uptake). Nevertheless we are heading in high-res/4K/Retina direction.
Which one besides FL is PC only?[I have to guess cantabile which I never heard of before?
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Check out the toolbar on 8k
https://youtu.be/LdvXmZ3JDUo?t=133
Let's buy it and switch to 1080p and watch at a distance of 2 metres. All pixels now have 4x oversampling to avoid interpixel peaks.
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Short answer, no to all questions.

This will probably be important at some point in the future but is irrelevant to me right now. I run dual 1920 X 1080 monitors and things work quite nicely.



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1.) Is high-res/4K/Retina display support is important to you?
2.) Do you have a display or laptop with a display greater than high-res/4K/Retina display?
3.) Are you planning buying a computer or display that has a high-res/4K/Retina in the future?
4.) Do you think that it would help your work to have a high-res/4K/Retina display?

(anything over 1920x1080 is should be considered high-dpi or high-res for the poll.

Perhaps this as well...
5.) Would you like better touchscreen support?

Thanks,
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Let's buy it and switch to 1080p and watch at a distance of 2 metres. All pixels now have 4x oversampling to avoid interpixel peaks.
Oh yes, that sounds like excellent use of all that expensive processing.
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Don't mean to highjack this thread but I just looked up my monitor specs. It says I have VGA, DVI connector type. What's DVI?

Oh, my res is 1600 x 900 and I guess I am just used to it.
Here's something I lifted from the interweb:

"The traditional video cables, including VGA and Composite video, transmit analog video signals only. While this works great for CRT screens, it isn't preferable for newer LCD screens. While many current LCD TVs and computer monitors still accept VGA input, they generally work best with DVI or HDMI."
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Why should my music get better by using a 4k monitor?
'no' to all.
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1.) Is high-res/4K/Retina display support is important to you?

Yes

2.) Do you have a display or laptop with a display greater than high-res/4K/Retina display?

Yes, all of them.

3.) Are you planning buying a computer or display that has a high-res/4K/Retina in the future?

Never will buy a non Hi-DPI display ever.

4.) Do you think that it would help your work to have a high-res/4K/Retina display?

Absolutely.

5.) Would you like better touchscreen support?

No! I hate touch screens!
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For me as I age, I do look for larger screens, regardless of whether I need to scan across it by moving my head. That is so much better than not being able to see the screen at all. I've been contemplating going 4k on a 50" in my studio as I have the room for it, and it would allow me to place everything on one screen in a nice layout instead of spanning across 2 separate screens. Also, I am seated a little over 3 feet from my current monitors which doesn't help any.

On my main use PC in my house, I have a LG 34" ultrawide monitor. For my Studio, I have 2 - 20" 4x3 monitors. Like I said.. I need to upgrade.

1.) Is high-res/4K/Retina display support is important to you?

YES

2.) Do you have a display or laptop with a display greater than high-res/4K/Retina display?

Not yet, but seriously thinking about it.

3.) Are you planning buying a computer or display that has a high-res/4K/Retina in the future?

YES

4.) Do you think that it would help your work to have a high-res/4K/Retina display?

For me, YES

5.) Would you like better touchscreen support?

Sure... Why not?!?
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"The traditional video cables, including VGA and Composite video, transmit analog video signals only. While this works great for CRT screens, it isn't preferable for newer LCD screens. While many current LCD TVs and computer monitors still accept VGA input, they generally work best with DVI or HDMI."
Thank you, Sir! Does that mean I should be connecting through DVI? I don't think my video card has that connection.
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Thank you, Sir! Does that mean I should be connecting through DVI? I don't think my video card has that connection.
It is unlikely that your video card lacks DVI and/or HDMI or Display Port unless it is very old, or perhaps a basic laptop.
These digital ports are always the preferred connections for superior image quality and supporting HDCP (copyright protection).
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1) NO
Because I don't have high-res screens

2) NO
Answered above

3) NO
Not in the near future.
I personally don't even get to 1080p at the moment, I am still using three 1440x900 monitors.
Pretty positive I won't be upgrading to 4K within the next 5 years at least, unless I happen to win the lottery

4) YES
It would reduce eye fatigue and help with the workflow as you can fit more stuff into your screen, which is the reason why I use multiple (very cheap) monitors to work around the issue as a low-cost solution.

Anyway I'm totally in support of 4K optimization to make the product more competitive, since 4K is inevitably and exponentially increasing.

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I wanted to chime in on this again, and point out:
High-DPI and resolution independence doesn't mean that everything shouldn't mean that everything gets unsuitably smaller, it means that things appear clearer.
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Ah but as with all these things, it really depends on how the function is implemented and how well it takes into account all the myriad possible types of hardware combination.
I had wondered earlier if Justins comment about waiting was as much to do with anticipating a VHS-Beta style conflict till a generally established convention was in place. Remember all the fun and games between the various competing connectors for higher resolutions?
All of this factors in & is one of several reasons I decided not to be an early adopter. Right now I would have gone for 1920x1200 but I suspect the writing is well and truly on the wall for that particular format as well.

Wait and see is probably the wisest decision to make, but of course a fair few of you have already jumped in with both feet. Lets hope you all chose wisely.
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I wanted to chime in on this again, and point out:
High-DPI and resolution independence doesn't mean that everything shouldn't mean that everything gets unsuitably smaller, it means that things appear clearer.
If that's what you want from it. Typically with 4k using say a typical large screen TV set it can be like having workspace of 4x average 1080p monitors (similar or same DPI) without bezels and extra cables and stands getting in the way. OR it can be used for extra DPI on same size panel.
When 8k becomes the norm people will expect and require both higher resolution graphics input and more screen real estate.

Bear in mind running any 3d program requires a massive increase in processing power for a relatively subtle gain. It is nice though.

The pixels on my 25" 21:9 monitor are much smaller than on my 23" 1080p 16:9 and it does improve image quality.
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1.) Is high-res/4K/Retina display support is important to you?
Yes!
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2.) Do you have a display or laptop with a display greater than high-res/4K/Retina display?
Yes! (Retina MacBook Pro)
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3.) Are you planning buying a computer or display that has a high-res/4K/Retina in the future?
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4.) Do you think that it would help your work to have a high-res/4K/Retina display?
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5.) Would you like better touchscreen support?
Not critical for me at the moment.
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