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Old 08-24-2011, 07:37 PM   #1082
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Hey guys,

@Nofish: We're still trying to sort out how to run the shop in this post v4 world. I'm thinking I will post "prerelease" versions onto http://code.google.com/p/sws-extension/downloads/list with biweekly-monthly releases to the main http://www.standingwaterstudios.com/reaper site. This is to avoid "nasty" bugs making it into the main release. I'll announce "main" releases here in the general forum. (But probably a new thread) Edit: You can talk about prereleases all you want here or elsewhere.

@SC: Yes, the main site is having issues, moving to a new server is in the works, too.
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@Nofish: We're still trying to sort out how to run the shop in this post v4 world. I'm thinking I will post "prerelease" versions onto http://code.google.com/p/sws-extension/downloads/list with biweekly-monthly releases to the main http://www.standingwaterstudios.com/reaper site. This is to avoid "nasty" bugs making it into the main release. I'll announce "main" releases here in the general forum. (But probably a new thread) Edit: You can talk about prereleases all you want here or elsewhere.

@SC: Yes, the main site is having issues, moving to a new server is in the works, too.
Thanks Tim (and for all your wonderful work). Snapshot envelopes are working great here by the way. That makes me very happy.
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Trying to download newest version but I cannot connect to their website!
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Old 08-25-2011, 01:21 AM   #1086
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Hi Tim,
I believe I may have encountered a bug with SWS' option "Enable Red Ruler While Recording"

I was working in REAPER and it wasn't for some time into my recording session that I noticed the ruler was always red.
I disabled the option in Extensions|SWS Options|Enable Red Ruler While Recording, but the ruler is still even, even after a restart of REAPER and an upgrade from 4.02pre8a to 4.02

Any thoughts? Things I should try?

EDIT: Tried v4.03pre1 and SWS v2.1.0#5 - same problem.

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Old 08-25-2011, 06:13 AM   #1087
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Trying to download newest version but I cannot connect to their website!

http://code.google.com/p/sws-extension/downloads/list

"Featured" is the latest stable release & "Prerelease" is the very latest & Still very stable Release

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I was working in REAPER and it wasn't for some time into my recording session that I noticed the ruler was always red...
Dax, "red ruler" just changes the theme. You can undo it by reloading your theme or changing the color in the prefs.
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Dax, "red ruler" just changes the theme. You can undo it by reloading your theme or changing the color in the prefs.
Awesome, thanks Tim.

Is there a reason why it doesn't change back when I uncheck the option, though?
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Dax, it shouldn't "stick" red like that, I've never seen that happen. Let me know if it happens to you again. My best guess is that it could happen if Reaper crashes while recording.
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Issue 77/Issue 147: Snapshots now store native envelopes:
+"Vol" option now stores pre and post FX envelopes
+"Pan" option now stores pre and post pan and width envelopes
+"Mute" option now stores mute envelopes
This is awesome! Thanks Tim

I can store several automation passes now and A/B results, yay!

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Will FXs parameters automation be supported someday?

[EDIT] WOW!!!!!!!!!! It works with plug-ins as well!!!!!!!!!!! AWESOME. Tim, please forget my stupid question. Thanks!
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I am still getting GOOGLE 404 cant connect messages....I guess u are still having issues...any news on this front?
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I am still getting GOOGLE 404 cant connect messages....I guess u are still having issues...any news on this front?
Did you try this?

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Will FXs parameters automation be supported someday?

[EDIT] WOW!!!!!!!!!! It works with plug-ins as well!!!!!!!!!!! AWESOME. Tim, please forget my stupid question. Thanks!
Is this really true, that we can save in a single snapshot, all automations of all effect parameters and could recall them easily? That would be great. This would mean a single project does not have only a single combination of automations envelopes but as many as you saved previously as snapshots! I almost can not believe this is already possible now?!
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Haha, yes, the snapshot option "FX Chain" saves the the FX chain and all FX automation. Glad you figured it out MN.
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Haha, yes, the snapshot option "FX Chain" saves the the FX chain and all FX automation. Glad you figured it out MN.
Tim, this is one of the most useful things I've come across lately in your extensions, at least to me (I do a lot of automation and really missed something to "preview" several passes like I used to do it in Nuendo).

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Haha, yes, the snapshot option "FX Chain" saves the the FX chain and all FX automation. Glad you figured it out MN.
I will just try it out soon. It would be interesting also to have a time limited version of FX automation snaphshots. If we would consider markers as borders for segments, having FX automation snapshots for specific segments only would be another bomb.

Example:
If we have 4 markers in our project, marker1,marker2,marker3,marker4.

marker1..marker2 region is called: segment1
marker2..marker3 region is called: segment2
marker3..marker4 region is called: segment3

FX automation setting could have a "save snapshot in its own segment only"
which would not save the entire FX automation, but only that segment which you were playing when you pressed the SAVE SNAPSHOT button.


PS. FX automation snapshots should be similar to the Kapture Max for Live extension for Ableton Live, if not better. Thanks. See here: http://liine.net/en/products/kapture/

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Haha, yes, the snapshot option "FX Chain" saves the the FX chain and all FX automation.
But does it save the whole automation curve or just a single point in time? Whole automation curve would be much cooler.
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But does it save the whole automation curve or just a single point in time? Whole automation curve would be much cooler.
This is what it does:

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Ooooh that's nifty .
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thats cool, never used snapshots but, I can change
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Dax, it shouldn't "stick" red like that, I've never seen that happen. Let me know if it happens to you again. My best guess is that it could happen if Reaper crashes while recording.
Yes, I did have one crash (in 4 all-day sessions!) so it's certainly possible for that to be the explanation.

To 'crash-proof' this feature, would you be able to store the original colors to disk instead of memory? (I'm guess this is how it currently works since that would explain the inability to restore previous colours by unchecking the option.)

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Will you remove things like Tracklist now that Track Manager has been implemented natively in v4?

I noticed a couple things like that.
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Hi Tim,
I've managed to kludge together a custom Action to make splitting items more logical with regard to grouped items, but there's still one function it's lacking and I was wondering if you might be able to build it into SWS Extensions, please?

I searched high and low for a function that would 'Group items recorded at the same time', but there doesn't seem to be one.

My custom action works reasonably well, but requires that multi-tracked parts (drums, orchestra, etc) have their items manually grouped.


Any chance of whipping this up, please?

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*The action I created is:
Item: Select item under mouse cursor
Item grouping: Select all items in groups
SWS/gofer: Split selected items at mouse cursor (obey snapping)

But ARGH! It's annoying when it selects both parts of the split item.
Would you be able to create these 2 also, please?
SWS/gofer: Split selection at mouse cursor (obey snapping) - select right
SWS/gofer: Split selection at mouse cursor (obey snapping) - select left


And while I think of it, a new action for "Restore previous item selection", which could be set as the last action in the custom action since all of this changes your item selection.


And here's another 2 actions that would be great to have:
Item navigation: move cursor to start of item (ignore selection)
Item navigation: move cursor to end of item (ignore selection)
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And while I think of it, a new action for "Restore previous item selection", which could be set as the last action in the custom action since all of this changes your item selection.
Maybe you can work around this already with selection slots.
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=26991

So you could put a 'save selection' action at the beginning of your macro, and a 'restore selection' action at the end of it.

Not sure if this would work in your case though but maybe worth a try.
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Haha, yes, the snapshot option "FX Chain" saves the the FX chain and all FX automation.
Freakin' impressive!!


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This is awesome! Thanks Tim

I can store several automation passes now and A/B results, yay!

@Tim:

Will FXs parameters automation be supported someday?

[EDIT] WOW!!!!!!!!!! It works with plug-ins as well!!!!!!!!!!! AWESOME. Tim, please forget my stupid question. Thanks!
I join the cheering.
Reading the changelog I didn't fully realize what this means, but it's indeed totally awesome.

Thanks SWS team.
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But does it save the whole automation curve or just a single point in time? Whole automation curve would be much cooler.
Full Track Mix seems to save the whole automation curve which is great.

Current Visibility would save only those tracks which are visible, I blindly assume. [EDIT: Wrong assumption, visibility means just for the eyes, not for the ears, so from musical point of view this is not really important. Only if you have a huge number of tracks you could make the disturbing tracks disappear in each automation recording pass.]

Custom together with Selection seems to allow doing just partial saving. [EDIT: Again wrong assumption, selections are again not so important from musical point of view, at least not for the ears, just for editing and later re-editing purposes saving and recalling certain "item selection combinations" can be interesting.] So for a segment-wise saving as mentioned above I would need to select current segment/inter-marker-area first, then using Custom.Select setting together with FX Chain, having an auto naming option based on the used marker names would be great. e.g. marker1 = Intro, marker2 = Main, then while being/playing somewhere between marker1 and marker2, then pressing SNAPSHOT SAVE would auto-name the snapshot as

Intro..Main (seg)

with "(seg)" denoting that only a segment automation was saved in that snapshot. So you could work in various parts of your song and save many automations for each of those and combine them, partially, not as a whole.

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TonE and others,

Don't want to burst your bubble here, but while time-based snapshots are indeed extremely cool, it will require a full rewrite of what is already a very complex section of the SWS extension. I may very well add (redo) this feature in the future, pasting automation, etc, but please don't expect it until at least 2012.

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...but while time-based snapshots are indeed extremely cool...
No it is already very cool as it is, thanks a lot! I have to read in detail, what all the checkboxes really mean for the snapshots, and what they do not mean. Sorry for writing too many bubbles here.
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No problem at all, just trying to manage expectations.

The SWS manual has a very good chapter on snapshots. (Note the manual points out a bunch of shortcomings with automation, pans, etc, that have been since fixed.)
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After rethinking, track selection based snapshots are somehow more useful in production context, compared to "time selection based snapshots". I give one example scenario how I would use track selection based snapshots.

Starting with any mix state, press play, record in real-time all kind of automations, freely, over all tracks and effects to your desire. Then stop playing. Save this as initial state/snapshot. This is where we start playing around with snapshots.

Now track-selection by track-selection we can go over the whole song again and do new, modified automations, just for those tracks, later choose one of those, which we liked bestly. Then doing all the other track selections also. Track selections could be for example

group 1: kick, bass
group 2: rest of the drums
group 3: melodies and harmonies
group 4: vocals
group 5: loops, effects, single shot sounds

So you could concentrate in each pass to only a single group, trying out various ideas, it is anyway better to go always from beginning until the end, not to loose the "feel flow" of the song.

As a summary, whatever tracks you want to optimize later on, just put them into a new selection/group and do new mix alternatives just for this selection. If you would do all your mixing adjustments always in an orthogonal fashion you could even combine those in any order, without disturbing each other.



Now another second idea, where you could even achieve "time selection based snapshots". You only need to use a "trick" of putting each segment of a song into its own tracks or even folders! For example:

Folder 1: Intro
Folder 2: Verse
Folder 3: Chorus
Folder 4: Outro

Then using as above, track selection based snapshots, which would equal then automatically to "time selection based snapshots".

Again, as a summary here, we use the trick of orthogonal track placement regarding the "scenes/segments" of our song. When unmuting anyway just a single such folder, all the other muted folders should not consume any cpu in theory. For smaller projects at least this could be tried out.
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Maybe you can work around this already with selection slots.
AWESOME! Thanks so much Nofish! This is one of the things I love so much about REAPER - the sense of community. Everyone's happy to help everyone else. Awesome, just awesome.


Okay, so it took quite a bit of experimenting, but I have finally got a behaviour that works for me (even if it does flicker a bit while performing the action).
For those who are interested, the custom action is below and also attached to this post:

SWS: Save selected track(s) selected item(s), slot 5
Item: Select item under mouse cursor
Item grouping: Select all items in groups
SWS/gofer: Split selected items at mouse cursor (obey snapping)
Item: Unselect all items
SWS: Restore selected track(s) selected item(s), slot 5
Item grouping: Select all items in groups



What I would REALLY like to achieve is functionality the same as in Samplitude, which has 'temporary keys' and a cursor mode for cutting items.

It works like this;
You hold down your temporary key (C for cut) and the edit cursor is floated to the mouse cursor. This is incredibly handy for 2 things;

1) You can see exactly where a cut will land across several tracks, &
2) Repositioning the play cursor (trust me, this sounds boring, but is SOOOO useful, I would have used it 1000 times a day when I was on Samp) It also means that it doesn't upset your item selection.

To perform that actual cut, you click the left mouse button. Great!


REAPER is better than Samplitude in so many ways, but there are certainly a few things REAPER could learn ergonomically-speaking. Then again, Magix have had me on their backs about ergonomics for 3 years.
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Okay, here's another one;

I'd like a function that allows me to select several tracks, execute the function and it places them INTO a separate folder.

Currently, there are 2 functions which are similar, but neither creates the folder as a separate track, it's always the first track that becomes the parent/folder track.


I have played around with a couple different ways of achieving this, but there's a command I'm missing in each one. Can someone offer any advice on this, please?

Option 1:
SWS: Save current track selection
Track: Insert new track
**<move track up>**
SWS: Restore saved track selection
Xen/SWS: Select Previous tracks
Xen/SWS: Set selected tracks as folder

Option 2:
SWS: Save current track selection
**Insert new track (before selected)**
SWS: Restore saved track selection
Xen/SWS: Select Previous tracks
Xen/SWS: Set selected tracks as folder


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**Insert new track (before selected)**
Have you tried 'SWS: Insert track above selected tracks' for this?


edit: Option 2 seems to work if you use this with 'Select previous tracks, keeping current selection'.

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Have you tried 'SWS: Insert track above selected tracks' for this?
Awesome, thanks Billoon!
I searched through the actions list for a line like that, but never saw it. I used all sorts of different search terms but had no luck.
The other day I was looking for 'deselect items' and was amazed there was no command for it. After scrolling through for a while, I came across 'unselect items'... :O Goes to show, eh?


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edit: Option 2 seems to work if you use this with 'Select previous tracks, keeping current selection'.
Duh *slaps own forehead* yes, that's what I had for Option 2, but when I copy/pasted the first Option, I didn't change the line. Silly me. :s

Either way, it all works! Thanks Billoon.
(Still, to me this should be the default behaviour of the action.)
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Old 08-30-2011, 04:38 PM   #1118
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Hi Tim and all.

I would like to be able to have the size & shape of SWS Marker List window be specific for each project.

I suspect it might be possible to do this using Screen sets/Layouts. But is it possible to create a screen set that would toggle the show/hide status of the Marker List only, and not any other windows that may (or may not) be opened (or closed) at the time?

Any ideas?

Thanks!
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Old 08-30-2011, 08:27 PM   #1119
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Marah Mag,

Yeah, that's a tricky one! I don't know of a solution for you. "Window sets" are global, and those save SWS windows, but not the per project "Track views." Not to mention you can't choose which windows are saved/restored with screensets. I could add a per-project SWS window state, which I suppose that's what you're asking for... Drop a FR on my site if you like.
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I just noticed we don't have a console command to set sends values. I think I'll visit your tracker soon, Tim

[EDIT] Oops, I forgot. Thanks for fixing the problem with snapshots!
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