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08-01-2008, 06:58 PM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Nannup in the southwest of Western Australia
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A Reaper OS?
I'm new to the forum although I have browsed it a little when I first discovered reaper. The community of support was one of the reasons I went for Reaper. The other reason of course was Reaper itself.
I recently bought a new Pavillion laptop with a 17 inch widescreen thinking that would allow me faster cpu, greater memory and plenty of screen space compared to my now 4.5 year old LG laptop.
Yes it is better but comes with Vista!!!!! and has got so much "fruit" hanging off it that it is impossible (so far) to avoid yet another nag screen or whatever popping up mid-recording. I usually record 12 tracks at a time so I don't need that crap! Lasso has made this better but far from ideal. Let's face it, my Swiss Army Knife approach to my laptop means that it also has to perform a host of other functions, so these inconveniences are necessary, just not on recording nights.
It has occurred to me that there must be a way of having Reaper installed on a thumbdrive, sd card or whatever with it's own bare-bones operating system (linux?). If it could boot straight from there then who needs all of the other junk on recording day?
Maybe this has already been discussed and maybe there is a fix out there already but I need guidance to it. I would love to see Reaper embrace this concept so that we could all use a Reaper adopted System.
Any thoughts and information will be appreciated.
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06-27-2009, 05:38 AM
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Join Date: Jul 2007
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very good idea.
why not make a reaper distro based on linux?
muse receptor uses linux.
a very loud +1 on that idea!
dedicated, secure daw environment sounds very promising. most people i know have more than 1 computer as it is. reaper could even go into the hardware business!
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06-27-2009, 07:07 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reapercurious
very good idea.
why not make a reaper distro based on linux?
muse receptor uses linux.
a very loud +1 on that idea!
dedicated, secure daw environment sounds very promising. most people i know have more than 1 computer as it is. reaper could even go into the hardware business!
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Reason numer one... Drivers.. No one will write them for such a low volume app specific OS.
Why are we trying to recreate the wheel? Linux has been around for what10/15 years and have had little success penetrating the general desktop. Why would the average DAW user want to learn a new OS? Personally I don't want the limits of a HW DAW. There are already plenty of them on the market.
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06-27-2009, 07:25 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: northern ca
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Quote:
Originally Posted by homegrown
I'm new to the forum although I have browsed it a little when I first discovered reaper. The community of support was one of the reasons I went for Reaper. The other reason of course was Reaper itself.
I recently bought a new Pavillion laptop with a 17 inch widescreen thinking that would allow me faster cpu, greater memory and plenty of screen space compared to my now 4.5 year old LG laptop.
Yes it is better but comes with Vista!!!!! and has got so much "fruit" hanging off it that it is impossible (so far) to avoid yet another nag screen or whatever popping up mid-recording. I usually record 12 tracks at a time so I don't need that crap! Lasso has made this better but far from ideal. Let's face it, my Swiss Army Knife approach to my laptop means that it also has to perform a host of other functions, so these inconveniences are necessary, just not on recording nights.
It has occurred to me that there must be a way of having Reaper installed on a thumbdrive, sd card or whatever with it's own bare-bones operating system (linux?). If it could boot straight from there then who needs all of the other junk on recording day?
Maybe this has already been discussed and maybe there is a fix out there already but I need guidance to it. I would love to see Reaper embrace this concept so that we could all use a Reaper adopted System.
Any thoughts and information will be appreciated.
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great idea! im not too familiar with linux what is the os like? im a pc/mac guy but wine,linux and other OS's are foreign to me. also, would you consider donating your old laptop?
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06-27-2009, 07:51 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Oulu, Finland
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-10000000 for this idea. There is simply no point. It would be a massive waste of time for the Cockos developers, at the expense of everything else that is more important on the Windows and Mac versions. I am assuming you were thinking that Cockos should do this...
However, since Linux is open source free software, you are welcome of course to do your own Linux distro that has good Reaper support out of the box...
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06-27-2009, 08:00 AM
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Banned
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Too close to Charlotte, NC
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I don't think he cares if Cockos does it. Maybe Dux has a brother who could do it...
There's always the possibility of a dual boot system with a Dux version on one partition, or failing that, a separate hardware profile.
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06-27-2009, 09:08 AM
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Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Duluth, MN
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I think a REAPER OS would be fun project for the community to get involved in. Bare bones operating system with a custom menu for frequently used actions and apps (file manager for plugins, etc)
Just think. You turn on your PC and REAPER loads automatically in full-screen mode and nothing else on the OS will be there to distract you. No unnecessary programs running in the background. Just ready to record from power-on to power-off.
It might not be used by EVERYONE but I'm sure there are more than enough MS/Apple haters here that would go for it.
Hmm...
But then again, drivers are a big hurdle as mentioned earlier.. And I can't imagine how time consuming developing an OS would be (even based on Linux)
But still, I think it's a really neat idea
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06-27-2009, 04:23 PM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Just got a funny idea: We could do some kind of "Windows Embedded" for Reaper. That would be feasable. I know for a fact that Microsoft prohibits the use of Windows Embedded on normal workstation PCs but there's a good alternative solution called "BartPE" that we might be able to use.
Basically, it would be a stripped down Windows (Kernel + Drivers really) and we could use Reaper as the defacto shell. It would be a bit like having a Reaper OS without all the down side of recoding, porting, drivers, etc...
Just my 0.02$
-K
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06-27-2009, 05:00 PM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2007
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google uses linux on all their servers. they save a lot of money that way.
you are probably using linux (if only vicariously) right now if you are on the internet.
muse receptor, which is a very high end 'hardware' unit for running your vst stuff, uses linux.
there are tons of computers in retail stores all over the world that boot directly into a program with touch screens for special purposes.
gambling machines, video game consoles, all of these are holding a custom operating system of one kind or another.
reaper could be housed in a single rack space, with built in RME i/o
with a control surface, trackball, usb, ssd, and twin dvi outputs.
reaper can compete with digidesign.
the users can choose from a wide variety of product, from 60 bucks to 60000 bucks. why not? aint it america?
Last edited by reapercurious; 06-27-2009 at 05:06 PM.
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06-27-2009, 05:12 PM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 62
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reapercurious
google uses linux on all their servers. they save a lot of money that way.
you are probably using linux (if only vicariously) right now if you are on the internet.
muse receptor, which is a very high end 'hardware' unit for running your vst stuff, uses linux.
there are tons of computers in retail stores all over the world that boot directly into a program with touch screens for special purposes.
gambling machines, video game consoles, all of these are holding a custom operating system of one kind or another.
reaper could be housed in a single rack space, with built in RME i/o
with a control surface, trackball, usb, ssd, and twin dvi outputs.
reaper can compete with digidesign.
the users can choose from a wide variety of product, from 60 bucks to 60000 bucks. why not? aint it america?
come to think of it, why not do a collaboration with alienware?
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Don't get me wrong, I'm a big Linux fan (been doing Unix admin for more than 12 years). Porting Reaper to the Linux kernel and the X11 platform is no easy tasks. There's the clan wars also, GTK+ or QT? X11 or direct framebuffer? Which distro? Etc,etc. Linux does have a few advantages for embedded projects but critical realtime operations are still not there yet, still got some work to be done, in my opinion. Yes, there's Muse and Ardour and Rosegarden and all the other cool projects.
The low latency audio infrastructure is still a mess in Linux. ALSA? Jack? OSS? Reaper is not even ported yet and there's unfortunatly tons of fixes to be done.
Once again, I'd LOVE to have a pro audio, Linux solution! But we're not there just yet, let's keep our fingers crossed!
-K
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06-29-2009, 04:51 AM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Jul 2007
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Reaper OS
someone will do this idea, and it will create a stir in the market. then maybe others will wish they did it first.
when i think about what made google great, money is the minor part. it was, imho, the vision and the courage. reaper is already pretty great as a company and an idea. maybe great enough to expand into the territory a little more?
SSL, Euphonix, isnt it true that both of these systems are basically an OS with a very large human interface device?
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06-29-2009, 07:01 PM
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Human being with feelings
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 62
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Quote:
Originally Posted by reapercurious
SSL, Euphonix, isnt it true that both of these systems are basically an OS with a very large human interface device?
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Yes it's true. Euphonix is using Windows Embedded in their top of the consoles! (Seen it boot!)
-K
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