Old 11-22-2022, 03:52 PM   #1
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Can I volume fade MIDI with CC? Say I have an item of 4 notes at the end of a track, is there CC I can enter that will can fade over the notes. I believe I can do it with envelopes, but it seems a lot to have an envelope for a whole track when I only want to affect 4 notes at the end.
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Old 11-22-2022, 03:56 PM   #2
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Unless you specifically want to use CC, you can simply fade MIDI items with an item fade, same way you'd fade audio.

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Old 11-22-2022, 04:46 PM   #3
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Unless you specifically want to use CC, you can simply fade MIDI items with an item fade, same you'd fade audio.
item fades on don't fade MIDI items, they reduce velocity of MIDI notes, which may or may not be link to an instrument's amp envelope.

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but it seems a lot to have an envelope for a whole track when I only want to affect 4 notes at the end.


you want unlinked automation items. investigate these settings:

Options: Bypass underlying envelopes outside of automation items
Options: Chase non-FX envelopes to automation items when underlying envelope is bypassed
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Old 11-22-2022, 04:53 PM   #4
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Unless you specifically want to use CC, you can simply fade MIDI items with an item fade, same you'd fade audio.
Thanks. I did not know that! However, I must be missing something. I just dragged an item fade but there is no noticeable fade in the sound when played.

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Old 11-22-2022, 05:05 PM   #5
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item fades on don't fade MIDI items, they reduce velocity of MIDI notes
Which results in a fade. Come on, man.
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Old 11-22-2022, 05:07 PM   #6
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Thanks. I did not know that! However, I must be missing something. I just dragged an item fade but there is no noticeable fade in the sound when played.
The only time I've not seen it work is if your instrument isn't velocity sensitive, like most organ VSTi's. But it does fade (or reduce the velocities...same thing) if the instrument is affected by velocities, like most pianos. I do it all the time.
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Old 11-22-2022, 05:23 PM   #7
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Which results in a fade. Come on, man.
no, it's an important distinction, only if velocity is linked to volume , as previously stated, and only if you have a sequence of notes. A long sustained note won't fade, for example
it;s better to use a MIDI volume envelope or automation item
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Old 11-22-2022, 05:26 PM   #8
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Cc#7 or sometimes 11.
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Old 11-22-2022, 05:31 PM   #9
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A long sustained note won't fade
Ok you both have a point. I apologize to McCrabney. I didn't think of that.
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Cc#7 or sometimes 11.
As LugNut suggests, CC7 Volume and/or CC11 Expression will normally control the volume to do the fade out.
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Old 11-24-2022, 12:19 PM   #11
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As LugNut suggests, CC7 Volume and/or CC11 Expression will normally control the volume to do the fade out.
How is that done? Multiple CC calls with descending values?
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Old 11-24-2022, 12:20 PM   #12
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The only time I've not seen it work is if your instrument isn't velocity sensitive, like most organ VSTi's. But it does fade (or reduce the velocities...same thing) if the instrument is affected by velocities, like most pianos. I do it all the time.
This might be the problem.
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How is that done? Multiple CC calls with descending values?
Yes that's correct.
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Old 11-25-2022, 12:10 AM   #14
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How is that done? Multiple CC calls with descending values?
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Yes that's correct.
Yes, CC7 Volume is the primary source for volume control with midi instruments.

CC11 Expression, a glorified name for another volume control, works with CC7, but only if you need it. Normally you won't need both, only CC7.
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