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Old 06-25-2020, 06:51 PM   #1
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v6.12+dev0625 - June 25 2020
  • + Audio Units: fix bridging support (5.79 regression)
  • + Media explorer: add playback rate control
  • + Media explorer: column sort preferences persist between REAPER sessions
  • + Media explorer: support dragging files into the list
  • + Media explorer: support renaming files
  • + Media import: only use tempo suggested by metadata if it matches the beat length of the media [p=2309774]
  • + REX: update Windows shared library to version 1.8.3, includes unbridged 64-bit support
  • + System: fix potential crashes due to high socket use on macOS and Linux [t=238309]
  • + Web interface: reduce latency of web server
  • # MIDI: revert option to prevent MIDI notes from retriggering when splitting media items [p=2309790]
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Old 06-25-2020, 07:17 PM   #2
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+ Media import: only use tempo suggested by metadata if it matches the beat length of the media

*EDIT* This seems to be working now, not sure why it was a problem initially.
In these instances dragging a selection from the Media Explorer is also ignoring the tempo-matching from the Media Explorer.

For example the ME will tempo-match with a playrate of 1.4, but when dragged to the timeline the item's playrate is 1.0.
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Tempo-rate multiplier is awesome by the way.
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Old 06-25-2020, 07:27 PM   #3
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In these instances dragging a selection from the Media Explorer is also ignoring the tempo-matching from the Media Explorer.
I can't reproduce that -- what I see is media being adjusted if the tempo-match is enabled in the media explorer, and not adjusted otherwise. If you have a file that is not showing that behavior, could you possibly link to it?
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I can't reproduce that -- what I see is media being adjusted if the tempo-match is enabled in the media explorer, and not adjusted otherwise. If you have a file that is not showing that behavior, could you possibly link to it?
Thanks, seems to be a fluke. Will report back if I find a way to reliably reproduce.
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+ Media explorer: column sort preferences persist between REAPER sessions
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playback rate control!!! thanks devs, just tried it and it works great so far
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+ Media explorer:


Please support CTRL+ALT Drag from arrange page to list.


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I can't reproduce that -- what I see is media being adjusted if the tempo-match is enabled in the media explorer, and not adjusted otherwise. If you have a file that is not showing that behavior, could you possibly link to it?
Is it possible to provide an option to allow/prevent "Tempo match list" "Pitch knob" "Rate knob" responding to the mouse wheel? Sometimes when I was scrolling using the mouse wheel, I accidentally scrolled the list or knobs.
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Is it possible to provide an option to allow/prevent "Tempo match list" "Pitch knob" "Rate knob" responding to the mouse wheel? Sometimes when I was scrolling using the mouse wheel, I accidentally scrolled the list or knobs.
Maybe locking with right click/right-click menu would be a good way.

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Old 06-26-2020, 02:32 AM   #10
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Would it be possible to link the Pitch and Rate controls? Im getting lots of artefacting with just the rate control and of course the pitch fixes this.
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Is it possible to provide an option to allow/prevent "Tempo match list" "Pitch knob" "Rate knob" responding to the mouse wheel? Sometimes when I was scrolling using the mouse wheel, I accidentally scrolled the list or knobs.
Yes please.
Once upon a time, Reaper was driving me crazy until I found where to disable mousewheel on track volume/pan/controls. Scrolling + knobs on the same screen equals havoc, for me.
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Old 06-26-2020, 02:50 AM   #12
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For media explorer I'd suggest:

- stretch the address bar to the whole available space (Edit: this is a regression)


- ability to edit metadata inline without any popup window (but also keep popup window for batch editing) Edit: Applies to file renaming as well.

- this https://forum.cockos.com/showthread....25#post2304525

- overhaul of layout and menus to make the thing user-friendly

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Old 06-26-2020, 02:55 AM   #13
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Now, why do we need separate popup for each metadata tag?

Why not create "Edit metadata" single popup window with all available metadata listed there. It would be effective for all selected files AND file-selection could be changed while keeping this window open.
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For media explorer I'd suggest:

- stretch the address bar to the whole available space


- ability to edit metadata inline without any popup window (but also keep popup window for batch editing)

- this https://forum.cockos.com/showthread....25#post2304525

- overhaul of layout and menus to make the thing user-friendly
That makes sense, especially as Windows Explorer can batch edit. Inline editing would be great.


Changing multiple fields of multiple files with an individual pop up each time seems like it would get tedious very quickly.
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Old 06-26-2020, 03:48 AM   #15
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Hi ¡¡¡

I write this here because maybe is too little for a FR.

It is: Split automation item under mouse cursor ( assignable to mouse modifiers )

That way people that use that option in regular items can unify workflow, same ways for different elements.

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Not able to try this till later but can I ask if the normal media explorer is now back in this version so that at least I can compare the two regarding the improvements without having to install an older release to get back the old media explorer (at least for now I guess)?
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I am hoping that those weird behaviors of the new CC dropdown menu I outlined in dev0624 thread are going to be sorted out, yes? In short:

1. Mousewheel is the other way around (very uncomfortable)
2. No need for leading zeroes for first 10 CCs
3. Typing to select a CC doesn't work if it has a dot in front of it
4. Typing more than one digit to select i.e. CC 23 does not work
5. Separator between 14-bit CCs in "Lanes with events" and regular 7-bit CCs
6. Gofer's suggestion of shortening the menu once we have some lanes with events, to make it more compact and easier/faster to traverse
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2. No need for leading zeroes for first 10 CCs
I like leading zeros, it allows to keep things aligned. Actually I would say it need more leading zeros, so that everything from 1 to 99 and 100 gets aligned (001... 099, 100).


But it is true that we don't have a lot of spaces there, some CC names are truncated.
The dropdown solution proposed above can solve width issue.


Or maybe something like envelope with a search pannel ?
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Yeah there's no need to do that when you can align things with whitespaces too... Either it should be consistent and everything is leading zeroed, or nothing has leading zeroes. Currently it's neither.

I would prefer no leading zeroes really. Cubase, Live, Maschine, Bitwig, others too, they don't use leading zeroes.


Search field in the menu would be pretty cool, yes.

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...those weird behaviors of the new CC dropdown menu I outlined in dev0624 thread are going to be sorted out...
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and +:
- submenus for more CCs could be named just "23 - 54" or "More (23-54)".
- is there any reason why are CCs in these submenus divided as they are? Why the first menu contains range from 23 to 54? Why it's not e.g. 20-49, 50-79, 80-120 or other meaningful distribution.
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We'd much rather improve the built-in media explorer than restore the windows explorer view (which of course was never available on mac anyway), so to the extent people could list the specific critical features they used it for, that would be helpful.
So what is really useful in Windows Explorer:
1. You see, which file you hover over.
2. You can tick multiple files and paste them into project.
3. The space between names is way smaller.
4. You can check file properties.



FR: please allow us to navigate quicker like in Windows Explorer/Total commander.



Some regressions in comparison to 0622:

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From a pure design point of view, could these controls be tidied up? better alignment of controls, icons all the same size. The pitch dial/button has an annoying square around it when it shouldn't. Yes, it all works but whilst we are on the ME this could be cleaner and more consistent. Ideally to work with dark modes also.

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Hi all

I'm a bit behind on updates/pre-releases but it's really nice to see the Media Explorer getting some attention

Unless I've missed it, it looks like a tree view still hasn't been added to the Explorer window though - is that right? I've long mentioned this as something missing - for quick navigation you really need a standard tree view on the left hand side. Currently navigating folders in the Media Explorer is somewhat difficult and awkward; every time you navigate into a folder, preview a file(s), and navigate back up a level, you lose your place in the list of folders. This is particularly true when you have a large number of files in a folder.

I've gone into more details here is anyone fancies a look - https://forums.cockos.com/showthread...2914&styleid=1

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Just a thought, is it really a massive problem if windows explorer option is kept for windows users if the built in Media explorer is being developed and improved for mac functionality anyway? I just don't see why it needs to be taken away from the program as it is so so useful for so many reasons.
Please keep it as an option...
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Just a thought, is it really a massive problem if windows explorer option is kept for windows users if the built in Media explorer is being developed and improved for mac functionality anyway? I just don't see why it needs to be taken away from the program as it is so so useful for so many reasons.
Please keep it as an option...
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Read schwa's quoted comment in my comment above.
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Media Explorer / item related, on Mac you cannot Ctrl-Alt-Drag (Cmd-Option-Drag) an on-the-fly render into any plugins. This includes pulling a portion of a file from Media Explorer, which I suspect is just on-the-fly rendering.

This oddly includes ReaSamplomatic5000 which I would have thought would support this.

I did some research...something about how Mac handles "Promised Files"?

A real workflow-crusher when you have to Cmd-Option-Drag files out to the desktop, then drag them into a sampler, and then have the sampler randomly reference this sample in an obscure nonsensical location.
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people could list the specific critical features they used it for, that would be helpful.
- create folders
- file operations - move, rename, delete
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Read schwa's quoted comment in my comment above.
Yes I understand that however why remove it before the replacement is ready. Doesn't make sense to me.
If the new Media explorer has full windows explorer functionality and allows mac users to benefit from new enhancements then happy days otherwise I say keep the option for now.
Also what ferropop says as this will create similar problems for windows (if it aint broke don't fix it).
I just hope that all platforms have the same essential functions which is why this is being addressed. Go schwa !

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Yes I understand that however why remove it before the replacement is ready.
It's removed in dev builds only. I meant rather proposing the features that make you use Windows Explorer over Media Explorer.
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I am hoping that those weird behaviors of the new CC dropdown menu I outlined in dev0624 thread are going to be sorted out, yes? In short:

1. Mousewheel is the other way around (very uncomfortable)
2. No need for leading zeroes for first 10 CCs
3. Typing to select a CC doesn't work if it has a dot in front of it
4. Typing more than one digit to select i.e. CC 23 does not work
5. Separator between 14-bit CCs in "Lanes with events" and regular 7-bit CCs
6. Gofer's suggestion of shortening the menu once we have some lanes with events, to make it more compact and easier/faster to traverse
7. Double-right clicking on the CC to rename it (like on the piano roll keys to rename notes)
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It's removed in dev builds only. I meant rather proposing the features that make you use Windows Explorer over Media Explorer.
Yes I just wouldn't like to see this go to a release
EDIT: Before it rocks in a reaper stylee !
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I don't know what's happening now... I worked a few hours on a project, without leaving the session.

Now after closing everything the project no longer opens, it hangs while trying to load a reference track (mp3 file), according to the progress panel.

See attachment.

This is also happening after system reboot (win 10 x64, REAPER 6.12+dev025 x64) and both from recent list and normal open from the file menu.

I know I can open the project in offline mode, just wished to report it.
I will try to check various combinations.

The project has one instance of Melodyne (so ARA2), and various VST2s and VST3 plugins.

I will give you updates as I discover something more.

EDIT: a previous version of the project, saved with an earlier pre-release (0624 or even older) loads correctly, I think it has the very same plugins but I could be wrong...

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v6.12+dev0625 - June 25 2020
  • + Media explorer: add playback rate control
  • + Media explorer: column sort preferences persist between REAPER sessions
  • + Media explorer: support dragging files into the list
  • + Media explorer: support renaming files
  • + Media import: only use tempo suggested by metadata if it matches the beat length of the media [p=2309774]
While the Media explorer is receiving a definite stream of love, is it unproper for me to reiterate a couple simple requests about Media explorer and MIDI items?

- volume/gain slider takes on velocity offset function for MIDI items

- pitch knob takes on transpose function for MIDI items

- these controls (velocity offset and pitch) work while previewing

This would allow users to insert MIDI data from their own library/database after previewing at the appropriate dynamic level and in the appropriate key.

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I don't know what's happening now... I worked a few hours on a project, without leaving the session.

Now after closing everything the project no longer opens, it hangs while trying to load a reference track (mp3 file), according to the progress panel.

See attachment.

This is also happening after system reboot (win 10 x64, REAPER 6.12+dev025 x64) and both from recent list and normal open from the file menu.

I know I can open the project in offline mode, just wished to report it.
I will try to check various combinations.

The project has one instance of Melodyne (so ARA2), and various VST2s and VST3 plugins.

I will give you updates as I discover something more.

EDIT: a previous version of the project, saved with an earlier pre-release (0624 or even older) loads correctly, I think it has the very same plugins but I could be wrong...

- Mario
The project opens in recovery mode, so it seems there must be something with the plugins; I've been working on this project for weeks and I don't remember any similar issues so far.

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Noticed a bug with playback rate. If it is set to 4.0 when you drag the item into your project, it will reset the playback rate to 1.

Also, it seems a little weird that if you drag it in and your project setting is set to enable preserving pitch when changing playback rate for new items, when you drop the item in your project it will sound different than the playback in the media explorer. I'm not sure what a good solution for this is.
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attached to this post is a wav that's intentionally tuned a little sharp. please load it into the media editor, loop it, route its audio to a track with Reatune on it.

now, try to adjust the pitch using the mousewheel and/or mousedrag (+ shift). tune it to an A. now tune it to a G#.

note: it's really hard to do --



an answer for this behavior is to make shift+clickdrag to increment by 1 cent, and then use this function:

pitch = X+Y

where X = "finetune" adjustment via shift+clickdrag
and where Y = coarse .5 semitone adjustment via unmodified clickdrag
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7. Double-right clicking on the CC to rename it (like on the piano roll keys to rename notes)
Wow, double-right-click. It can still work, but is definitely too bad to use this for the main (only?) access to the function of renaming.
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an answer for this behavior is to make shift+clickdrag to increment by 1 cent
probably better with CTRL + drag as it is used in the mixer as well (Windows)
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Hi,

It would be nice to be able to change the color of this!

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One weirdness that I have always experienced with the Media Explorer is using Windows Explorer for browsing has always been faster at previewing the files compared to not using it. I am not sure what causes it, but when browsing one-shot drum sounds it does make a significant difference.
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