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Old 10-07-2018, 08:29 AM   #201
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I have a little problem with German...i don’t understand it!

Could you tell me in 2 words what is this about?

I can try and explain it in 1 link:

https://translate.google.co.uk/trans...raschall.fm%2F

Looks like it's a customisation for Reaper to do podcasting.
(I don't do podcasting nor have I tried it out)
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Old 10-07-2018, 08:29 AM   #202
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It's a set of a theme, a few pugins and a Reaper config file. It turns Reaper into a DAW for podcasters.

Most noteable is the Studio plugin, allowing sending and receiving audio over the internet. Useful to replace Skype, fi, as that is always a pita.

I've just installed it. The software is English. Just the website and the forum are German. So you can easily install it yourself and it comes with an Unistall document, so removing it should be possible, but I haven't tried that yet.

It also makes stuff like exporting as FLAC or MP3 easier. And there probably are a dozen other features I haven't seen yet

As usual with free open source, docs are scarce. But there are a lot of YT videos about it.

Next test: see if I can use it with Reaper's web control.
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Old 10-07-2018, 09:42 AM   #203
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At the same time, it's a clear example what's wrong with Reaper's ecosystem. Some stuff is very hard to find. And not everyone is inclined, or even able to come to the forum and ask the right questions.
That's true for nearly all systems with an open extension and/or plugin system. Many useful, production ready, maintained and documented extensions buried under even more half-baked, unfinished, unmaintained and barely or undocumented extensions.

I'm one of the guys who is not inclined to spend days on trying out bazillions themes and extensions. Heck, I don't even use the ship JSFX stuff solely or the fact that they don't come with documentation *.

I've been to the Stash and it's IMHO a mess. It's much faster to ask on the forum to get a tip which extension or script to use than searching.

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* Sidenote: I'm a programmer working mosuly with open source software and I've made it a prime rule for me to use only documented software. My time must be spent on creating software not on tinkering with code that might or might not do what I need.
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Old 10-07-2018, 10:29 AM   #204
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Ah yeah, I never checked out REAPER v0.40 - first public release - December 23 2005.
https://www.reaper.fm/download-old.php?ver=0x
Not so hard to learn that one.
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Old 10-07-2018, 10:29 AM   #205
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@Masi:

I operate with a very similar set of rules. Software has to be cross-platform, well documented and not too expensive. But these are rules, and rules are meant to be broken, sometimes.

That it's likewise for a lot of (open source) projects, doesn't interest me. We can do better, can't we?

Ultraschall is a very, very nice project. And it is an illustration how Reaper is going wrong.

Reaper is extremely customisable. And the people from Ultraschall used that to create a damned near perfect tool for podcasters.

BUT

It took two programmers, two beta testers, four graphics developers and an information gatherer years to do this.

A beginner can't do that.

I still see four or five big groups of Reaper users:

- Recordists
- Mixing engineers
- Editors
- Composers

If you check the feature request forum, you'll see that there are a lot of requests from video editors and composers. And Justin is working his tail off to oblige them.

Yet, there's nothing to shield the innocent beginner from all this evolution.

In a thread like this, it usually boils down to: customise it yourself for your needs. If you need to learn a DAW, whiwh is a pretty complex piece of software in itself, you can't learn customisation. So you're left with a gigantic collection of possibilities, some of which you don't understand because you don't need them.

There is a vast opportunity to alleviate that problem. Provide four, five, six setups in the preferences. Maybe make themes that are specific for some of these setups. Switch plugins and menus according to setup.

It would mean even more users for Reaper. And it might make developing a little easier. Of course, we can all sit around and wait for other projects like Ultraschall. Might be a long wait...
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Old 10-07-2018, 11:10 AM   #206
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Ultraschall is a very, very nice project. And it is an illustration how Reaper is going wrong.

Reaper is extremely customisable. And the people from Ultraschall used that to create a damned near perfect tool for podcasters.
Whaooo....this is a dangerous post! Good luck!
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Old 10-07-2018, 01:36 PM   #207
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I still see four or five big groups of Reaper users:

- Recordists
- Mixing engineers
- Editors
- Composers

If you check the feature request forum, you'll see that there are a lot of requests from video editors and composers.
Sound designers are also using Reaper more often I have heard. And there's also mastering engineers. And too bad Reaper won't persuade the EDM folks who lover their Ableton Live

The humble guy that is neither a pro engineer nor composer isn't even on the list. Just because he's better off with GarageBand or Studio One or because Reaper isn't ready for a newbie?

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In a thread like this, it usually boils down to: customise it yourself for your needs. If you need to learn a DAW, whiwh is a pretty complex piece of software in itself, you can't learn customisation. So you're left with a gigantic collection of possibilities, some of which you don't understand because you don't need them.

There is a vast opportunity to alleviate that problem. Provide four, five, six setups in the preferences. Maybe make themes that are specific for some of these setups. Switch plugins and menus according to setup.
That simple setups I were really missing when I started out. Something that would hide the more arcane options and highight the more important options for a given task (eg recording, mixing, ...)

But currently Cockos seems to battle for more pro users not novices, so I won't expect any newbie friendly features in the near future.

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Old 10-07-2018, 01:58 PM   #208
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@Masi:

Ultraschall is a very, very nice project. And it is an illustration how Reaper is going wrong.

Reaper is extremely customisable. And the people from Ultraschall used that to create a damned near perfect tool for podcasters.

BUT

It took two programmers, two beta testers, four graphics developers and an information gatherer years to do this.

A beginner can't do that.
This is the heart of why I linked out to Ultraschall - people can underestimate
the effort required to create a sophisticated targetted version of Reaper. The Cockos team is far too small for the task given their own interests and the competing demands.
For those who want Reaper opening up even more (and the devs seem to be consistently going down that path) it might be valuable for the Ultraschall devs and Cockos to have a small discussion on what Cockos could do that would have made building Ultraschall easier. (maybe they have already)
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Old 10-07-2018, 02:10 PM   #209
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Sound designers are also using Reaper more often I have heard. And there's also mastering engineers. And too bad Reaper won't persuade the EDM folks who lover their Ableton Live

The humble guy that is neither a pro engineer nor composer isn't even on the list. Just because he's better off with GarageBand or Studio One or because Reaper isn't ready for a newbie?
Just examples, not pretending to be a complete list.

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That simple setups I were really missing when I started out. Something that would hide the more arcane options and highight the more important options for a given task (eg recording, mixing, ...)

But currently Cockos seems to battle for more pro users not novices, so I won't expect any newbie friendly features in the near future.

Masi
That's what we miss in teaching too. We need a clean, standard setup, but it would be very handy to have a setup for MIDI centric stuff and a setup for mixing etc.

And I don't think Cockos is "battling" for any kind of user on purpose. afaict Cockos is quite unique. Not drijven by the usual marketing plan. Genious develloper(s) without marketing constraints...
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Old 10-07-2018, 02:59 PM   #210
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iT would-be be veruit handy to have a setup for MIDI centric stuff
Maybe this -> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread....light=donation

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Old 10-07-2018, 03:02 PM   #211
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folks who lover their Ableton Live
Maybe this -> https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=206610

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Old 10-07-2018, 08:19 PM   #212
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The humble guy that is neither a pro engineer nor composer isn't even on the list. Just because he's better off with GarageBand or Studio One or because Reaper isn't ready for a newbie?
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Although, placing on the same level garage band and Studio one is really unfair.
Now, is really incredible that I have to defend S1 that I had so many problems with from v3 on.
But S1 is the one who invented Ara.

In my opinion, the biggest thing in daw of the last 10 years have been: stretch markers implemented by PT (might be wrong), comping tracks released by logic and Ara by S1.
Now, I’ve never taken the course “history of daw 101” and this only the perception lived on my skin inevitably partial, but it seems to me that reaper has never been a big innovator and it is pretty slow in implementing important features other daws develope.
Now there is finally Ara 2, but I would better name it Ara 1/2 (as you cannot place melodyne as take fx if you want to have monitor functions...and who doesn’t?).

It seems to me, that Cockos is actually pretty static with best part being maitenance (which is absolutely very important and often so overlooked by other daws), very little developing, and slow and partial implementation of important features of other daw (most of the time done by programmer users).

I would really like to know what you guys, specifically think about my perception, possibly without hard feeling or worse, insults, as I’m genuinely interested in your point of view as more experienced users of reaper.
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Although, placing on the same level garage band and Studio one is really unfair.
Now, is really incredible that I have to defend S1 that I had so many problems with from v3 on.
But S1 is the one who invented Ara.

In my opinion, the biggest thing in daw of the last 10 years have been: stretch markers implemented by PT (might be wrong), comping tracks released by logic and Ara by S1.
Now, I’ve never taken the course “history of daw 101” and this only the perception lived on my skin inevitably partial, but it seems to me that reaper has never been a big innovator and it is pretty slow in implementing important features other daws develope.
Now there is finally Ara 2, but I would better name it Ara 1/2 (as you cannot place melodyne as take fx if you want to have monitor functions...and who doesn’t?).

It seems to me, that Cockos is actually pretty static with best part being maitenance (which is absolutely very important and often so overlooked by other daws), very little developing, and slow and partial implementation of important features of other daw (most of the time done by programmer users).

I would really like to know what you guys, specifically think about my perception, possibly without hard feeling or worse, insults, as I’m genuinely interested in your point of view as more experienced users of reaper.
To a point I agree with you in terms of musicality of the DAW - but Reaper is very innovative in making a "computational" DAW and that is the area where I think Reaper should focus - becoming a set of tools and functions that allow people with strong backgrounds in music, post, design, recording etc to assemble their own specialised tools. The Reaper devs have strong backgrounds in IT but not particularly high end experience in music or recording and so on. And little to no interest in UX. All of which is fair enough as far as I am concerned, lots of other people have that expertise. The more Reaper supports others putting together specialised and focused products like Ultraschall or OTR http://otr.storyteller.im/ the better
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To a point I agree with you in terms of musicality of the DAW - but Reaper is very innovative in making a "computational" DAW and that is the area where I think Reaper should focus - becoming a set of tools and functions that allow people with strong backgrounds in music, post, design, recording etc to assemble their own specialised tools. The Reaper devs have strong backgrounds in IT but not particularly high end experience in music or recording and so on. And little to no interest in UX. All of which is fair enough as far as I am concerned, lots of other people have that expertise. The more Reaper supports others putting together specialised and focused products like Ultraschall or OTR http://otr.storyteller.im/ the better
I think you have a strong point here.
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Although, placing on the same level garage band and Studio one is really unfair.
I was only naming them because I assumed that S1 is a user-friendly DAW for novices and pros. I haven't used or even tested it though. Maybe S1 has been well received for other reasons.

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I was only naming them because I assumed that S1 is a user-friendly DAW for novices and pros. I haven't used or even tested it though. Maybe S1 has been well received for other reasons.

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My main problem with S1 is that is buggy and the promising pro direction has been discountinued for what I consider less interesting features on the side of “easy production”
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