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12-15-2009, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by AudioWonderland
There are very large vertical meters an Alt-d away. What good is a tiny vertical meter? It tells you nothing.
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Indeed for metering purposes tiny vertical meters would be useless (althought track height can be changed for bigger meters) but for figuring out which track has activity going on they are **VERY** useful. But anyway, when do you actually look at the horizontal meters?
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12-15-2009, 08:52 PM
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#82
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Originally Posted by Scoox
Indeed for metering purposes tiny vertical meters would be useless (althought track height can be changed for bigger meters) but for figuring out which track has activity going on they are **VERY** useful. But anyway, when do you actually look at the horizontal meters?
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when checking input levels, all the time.
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12-15-2009, 09:13 PM
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#83
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Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill
when checking input levels, all the time.
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Me too! But I am sure you agree that having some sort of track activity indication when you can't see the meters wouldn't hurt either...
Consider the following scenario: You have a project with 50 tracks all set to minimal height (this is not uncommon in large projects) and you want to delete a media item that's currently playing. At that point only 4 tracks are producing sound, with the remaining 46 silent. If you could visualize track activity, it'd be very easy to locate the track in the track view, certainly much quicker than reading the track labels.
Also I can often locate the kick track for example by looking at the meter because it 'looks' like a kick. I do this all the time even when I look at the mixer. In other word I after don't bother reading the labels. But note that it is not the actual LEVEL I look at, but rather the rate at which it pulsates.
Therefore there are situations in which it would be beneficial to see track activity on minimized tracks. Perhaps we could have flashing/glowing track panels?
Last edited by Scoox; 12-15-2009 at 09:19 PM.
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12-15-2009, 09:36 PM
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#84
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Tracktion *only* has tiny vertical meters, unless you click the plugin to look at a big one, and it works quite well.
Just saying...
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12-15-2009, 09:44 PM
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#85
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lokasenna
Tracktion *only* has tiny vertical meters, unless you click the plugin to look at a big one, and it works quite well.
Just saying...
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I agree (having used Tracktion in the past). I was just trying to compromise in favour of those who like the big horizontal meteres.
Since minimized tracks don't have any level meters at all, there could be an option in REAPER to enable/disable small vertical meters for those of us who find them useful. The fact most DAW manufacturers include them probably means that it makes sense to have them.
Last edited by Scoox; 12-15-2009 at 11:11 PM.
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12-15-2009, 10:34 PM
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#86
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Since nobody seems to want the small meters for actual metering, how about just a green activity light that flashes, and holds red if the track peaks?
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12-15-2009, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Diogenes
Yup... ^^^that^^^... If you make the TCP meters vertical, why not just ditch them altogether and just have an "activity LED" that blinks when something is going on? I'm kidding of course... Vertical TCP meters make no sense at all IMO. Please keep an option for horizontal meters...
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well... truth be told, i found the the vertical meters in my yesterdaw to be very helpful... I could see activity, clips, mono/stereo and relative channel level and that is all I needed to see there... I'd love an option to have vertical meters that grow with track height and swap out for horizontal meters when a track is record armed!
I believe that there is merit therein, but this thread is a monsterrrrrrr.
i mean MONSTERRRRRR.
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12-15-2009, 11:18 PM
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#88
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I have a permanent kink in my neck so my head leans to one side. I'd like to request diagonal metres please.
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12-15-2009, 11:19 PM
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#89
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoox
Perhaps we could have flashing/glowing track panels?
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this stood out to me. that would be really interesting!
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12-15-2009, 11:21 PM
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#90
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Originally Posted by nikar
I have a permanent kink in my neck so my head leans to one side. I'd like to request diagonal metres please.
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Please can we be serious?
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12-16-2009, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Steindork
Here's a workaround:
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Thanks Steindork,
You gave me an idea how to put the mixer to the top of the window and the arranger to the bottom.
There is just one problem with your workaround: all my takes slide down to the tcp. Any suggestions?
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12-18-2009, 09:10 AM
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#92
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lokasenna
Since nobody seems to want the small meters for actual metering, how about just a green activity light that flashes, and holds red if the track peaks?
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That would be good IMO.
Of it the track's brightness was modulated by amplitude, that would look cool but it would also be useful since (at least in my case) the only thing I really use the meters for is a quick visual indication of where I need to go on the screen at a given moment in time.
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12-18-2009, 10:12 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lokasenna
Since nobody seems to want the small meters for actual metering[...]
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I do, just didn't say so...
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12-21-2009, 05:25 AM
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was just a matter of time for someone to come up in kvr fashion ... so there we have it, kvr kiddie niveau has reached the reaper forum ... from now on downwards ... :/
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12-21-2009, 08:37 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason Brian Merrill
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoox
Perhaps we could have flashing/glowing track panels?
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this stood out to me. that would be really interesting!
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I always wanted to have animated GIFs to have everything flashing and blinking.
Hey brok! You just called for me?
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Originally Posted by Tallisman
god I love this forum.
that is all I wanted to say.
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No need to say more.
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Last edited by Mr. Data; 12-21-2009 at 08:50 AM.
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12-21-2009, 11:49 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lokasenna
Since nobody seems to want the small meters for actual metering, how about just a green activity light that flashes, and holds red if the track peaks?
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How about a circular activity meter in the form of concentric rings where intensity is visually indicated from the outer to the inner rings in shades of green and red as appropriate? That way we get not only activity in the indicator but intensity too.
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12-21-2009, 12:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lokasenna
Since nobody seems to want the small meters for actual metering, how about just a green activity light that flashes, and holds red if the track peaks?
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That would be a great option. Maybe have user definable ranges for off>green, green>yellow, and yellow>red.
I would use that.
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12-21-2009, 11:07 PM
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Or .. has anybody seen the swing indicator in links golf?
That might be useful .. winding up from green thru red.
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12-24-2009, 08:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Amazed
How about a circular activity meter in the form of concentric rings where intensity is visually indicated from the outer to the inner rings in shades of green and red as appropriate? That way we get not only activity in the indicator but intensity too.
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No offence, but are you being serious? There are many reasons why mixers always use linear meters, the main ones being that they are easier to compare with one another and that they occupy less space. Therefore your idea is rather naive in my opinion.
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12-24-2009, 08:45 AM
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He said "How about", it's just a suggestion, and an interesting one to boot.
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12-24-2009, 08:53 AM
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#101
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JHughes
He said "How about", it's just a suggestion, and an interesting one to boot.
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As long as I can see which tracks have activity I don't care what it looks like.
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12-24-2009, 03:34 PM
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#102
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I'd love an option to have vertical meters that grow with track height and swap out for horizontal meters when a track is record armed!
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That sounds like an excellent idea IMO. Sort of a "best of both worlds.
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12-24-2009, 07:15 PM
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#103
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoox
No offence, but are you being serious? There are many reasons why mixers always use linear meters, the main ones being that they are easier to compare with one another and that they occupy less space. Therefore your idea is rather naive in my opinion.
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I don't know how you are going to compare meters to one another easily anyway in track view when they are vertical which is why a bunch of people prefer horizontal meters. Even then it's difficult because you need to get all the tracks on screen. The console view is better I think for this anyway if you like that old school paradigm.
But when it comes to space considerations, with a good measure of visual activity with intensity to boot, my little indicator just may beat your linear meter hands down.
Read the whole thread. You may see that we actually tick quite a few more requirements in the track view with my indicator than the meter does.
Also don't let me catch you making a stand for horizontal meters. There's a reason we have vertical meters on mixers you know .... heheh.
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12-24-2009, 07:17 PM
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#104
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scoox
As long as I can see which tracks have activity I don't care what it looks like.
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But then you shoot down my indicator coz you want a linear meter when you just need to see activity which is exactly the problem I addressed. Are you sure you know what you want?
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12-24-2009, 08:11 PM
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#105
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Amazed
Are you sure you know what you want?
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I know exactly what I want: I just want to be able to see which tracks have activity when they are minimized. For me an LED indicator to the left of the track panel in the track view would be perfecto. The LED would be off when Level < A, green when A < Level < Clip, and red when clipping, with A being user-defineable in line with what Audioguytodd said (possibly via a slider control in the preferences with a numerical input field next to it for accurate settings).
If I need detailed level checking I would simply expand the track a bit, or look at the mixer. There are plenty of keyboard assignable commands to manage track height.
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