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* Includes feature branch: run ReaScripts in REAPER (new instance or already-running instance) from the command line
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Not sure what the behavior is but maybe just a minor redraw needed?

Enable 'Record into lane', record a bit, then delete the recorded item and notice the 'Record into lane' option disables itself in context menu, but there is still a red dot drawn next to lane until you force TCP to redraw (like resize tracks).

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Collapsed fixed-lanes : tweaking item automation has horizontal line artifact.



Just thought I'd mention it, seems new.
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Hey all, the interactions between Fixed Lanes + Comping Mode + Auto Comp are still feeling really backwards.

If Comping On and Comp Exists, and you just want to add passes without disrupting the comp, this is not currently possible.

If you turn Comping Off and Comp Exists, yes you can add passes without disrupting the comp but when you hit stop the new lane solos itself which again is not desirable.

I'm not sure what the solution is here, but (at least for my workflow) it's currently impossible to do what feels like should be the defaults.
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Is it maybe a thing to create a matrix for the different permutations, and the defaults being based on this? Or sets of permutations for different use cases?

Even something as simple as a track option for "auto comp on/off" could at least get us part way there.
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Dunno if this was settled - but when doing Time Selection Auto Punch it's trimming to the Time Selection, which I would argue is undesirable and unnecessary especially with Auto Comp. If the Time Selection punch is automatically comping itself, it'd be more useful to show the full recording pass from Start Record to Stop Record in the lane, given that it has its own entire lane.

I understand why this wasn't possible with the old Item-Based non-lane comping (there was no way to accommodate for it) but now the luxury of having full lanes could at least give an option for this?
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Not sure what the behavior is but maybe just a minor redraw needed?

Enable 'Record into lane', record a bit, then delete the recorded item and notice the 'Record into lane' option disables itself in context menu, but there is still a red dot drawn next to lane until you force TCP to redraw (like resize tracks).

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Tried to reproduce this but everything as expected, ie nothing greyed out and RIL is still ticked, whether comping is on or not...XP, etc.
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If Comping On and Comp Exists, and you just want to add passes without disrupting the comp, this is not currently possible.
So you are looking for a mode where, regardless of whether comping is active, you record a new pass, and afterwards you don't hear the new recording?
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Tried to reproduce this but everything as expected, ie nothing greyed out and RIL is still ticked, whether comping is on or not...XP, etc.
I deleted the item using the DEL key if that matters, also used a clean install with all default settings just in case.
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The behavior of CLAP_PARAM_IS_STEPPED in CLAP is much unstable and is not functioning properly except for 0 to 3.
Versions using CLAP_PARAM_IS_PERIODIC and the old REAPER version are working properly.

The initial values of all parameters are set to 0.
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I deleted the item using the DEL key if that matters, also used a clean install with all default settings just in case.
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Ah yes, did a portable install and that happens: delete the recorded item and the RIL indicator sticks, while the menu item is unticked.
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The behavior of CLAP_PARAM_IS_STEPPED in CLAP is much unstable and is not functioning properly except for 0 to 3.
Versions using CLAP_PARAM_IS_PERIODIC and the old REAPER version are working properly.
The initial values of all parameters are set to 0.
Ah, can you (or anyone) post or link to a CLAP plugin that has a stepped parameter that does not have zero as the minimum value?
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So you are looking for a mode where, regardless of whether comping is active, you record a new pass, and afterwards you don't hear the new recording?
hey Schwa, yeah here's the scenario:

You record takes, you comp as you go.

You come back later and just want to add more takes, for doubles or just more options. But you don't want to disrupt the current comp, or (more importantly) the Comp Areas that have been carefully split up by word/syllable/phrase.

Currently just turning off Comping Mode lets you not disrupt stuff, but then every time you do a new pass you lose the context of the comp lane because the last pass solos itself.

And yeah I dunno if a mode is necessary, but a track option to selectively "Enable Auto-Comping of last-recorded Material" could solve this.

Maybe I'm alone on this, but I'm wanting this super super often.

Also to confirm, "don't hear the new recording" meaning it doesn't auto-comp itself. You still want to hear it (and auto-mute) while recording.
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Ah, can you (or anyone) post or link to a CLAP plugin that has a stepped parameter that does not have zero as the minimum value?
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^^ imagine you've comped a section and it's split up into many comp areas (words/phrases).

Currently if you add more passes, you're getting rid of all the Comp Areas because the auto-promotion wipes them and replaces with itself.

Again this is selectively useful! You'll want this sometimes (when you know 100% you're wanting to replace the section with a new take) but other times you want to just collect more passes, but retain all the split-up comp areas because they're useful!

And yeah if disabling comping to keep the comp areas intact, then it's a fight with having to constantly re-solo the Comp Lane.
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Is it possible to download it from this link?
Yes thanks that's helpful. I know they are just test plugins, but to be clear, for both plugins the initial value for all parameters is zero, even though zero is out of range for many parameters, right?
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Yes thanks that's helpful. I know they are just test plugins, but to be clear, for both plugins the initial value for all parameters is zero, even though zero is out of range for many parameters, right?
You are right!
Bitwig is automatically clipped to the value closest to the initial value, but I prefer not to clip REAPER as there is a kind of backdoor trick where you can exceed the original range by stacking two automations!



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I'm running Kirchhoff EQ in Windows 10, and when I make it always on top, its dropdown menu disappears behind itself. It makes me unable to change the filter type when pinned in full screen. I use this setting a lot on the monitor that is usually dedicated to the mixer (to prevent the FX UI from hiding behind the mixer) so I'm sure it didn't happen in the last +dev I've tried — that is 6.78+devSomething.

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^^ imagine you've comped a section and it's split up into many comp areas (words/phrases).

Currently if you add more passes, you're getting rid of all the Comp Areas because the auto-promotion wipes them and replaces with itself.

Again this is selectively useful! You'll want this sometimes (when you know 100% you're wanting to replace the section with a new take) but other times you want to just collect more passes, but retain all the split-up comp areas because they're useful!

And yeah if disabling comping to keep the comp areas intact, then it's a fight with having to constantly re-solo the Comp Lane.
Exactly! That's what I ve also proposed in previous pre for an option to pass through the existing comps without breaking them. It would be really useful to have this option for recording.
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label item : adding color options for volume, pitch and name


Sometimes, item informations can be hard to read.


With option:



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After working with Lanes comping doing many takes in a looped recording session I have some requests:

  • It would be great if the name of the currently recording lane is shown somewhere so that I can take a note on paper what the singer did at that point and which lanes will be worth to be auditioned and considered for keeping
  • It would be good to have a shortcut for deleting lanes (something with del). This should be possible without selecting the lane for playback. (Maybe I just missed an already existing feature)
  • It would be good to be able to select multiple in a row (by something like shift-click) to delete them in a single action. Reaper often also uses right-swipe (marquee) for this). some ctrl-click action for adding top such a selection also might be nice.
  • It would be helpful to modify (reduce) the height of individual lanes to have more room for the others (more important ones).
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It would be great if the name of the currently recording lane is shown somewhere so that I can take a note on paper what the singer did at that point and which lanes will be worth to be auditioned and considered for keeping
That's tricky because the final lane layout depends on various things including the track's current state, and settings in preferences/audio/loop recording. You could use the actions "add/edit take marker at play position" or "quick add take marker at play position" during recording, for this purpose.
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Thx you!

label item : adding color options for volume, pitch and name


Sometimes, item informations can be hard to read.


With option:



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That's tricky because the final lane layout depends on various things including the track's current state, and settings in preferences/audio/loop recording. You could use the actions "add/edit take marker at play position" or "quick add take marker at play position" during recording, for this purpose.
Sorry to be a PITA, but IMHO this is really essential for (my) Comping workflow.

Do you mean the (crated on the fly by simply counting up) lane name/number "depends on various things" ? If not it should be able to be displayed "somewhere", independent of the "final lane layout", in some status field similar to the currant play cursor position (OK, I do see the issue that multiple tracks might be armed...).
And in fact I am not intending to "mark" the currently recording lane, but to be able to write down a note of it, preferredly on paper rather than by typing.
As a Workaround I could make a list of the upcoming lane names (numbers) (on paper) when starting the loop recording and always mark the currently one. But as most lanes will not get notes, this does not seem very appropriate. OTOH, having Reaper display what it is currently doing seems perfectly natural.

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Alternate in-place blinking display of the name/number of the just recording lane and that of the lane the the waveform-display of the recording lane overlaps the Waveform display of.
This seems very intuitive to me: overlapping names and overlapping Waveforms of the two.

Thanks for listening.

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Do you mean the (crated on the fly by simply counting up) lane name/number "depends on various things"
For example, the preference "in loop recording, discard incomplete first or last takes if at least one full loop was recorded" means that lane numbers for earlier recording passes can change during the recording. When recording in lanes, new recording will be put in the highest lane where it fits, but the lane where the recording fits can change as the recording continues.
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About razor edits in comp lane:

Could we please have a setting similar to "Options: Razor edits in media item lane affect all track envelopes" to specify whether we want razor edits to affect source lanes when collapsed?

I personally would like source lanes to remain untouched, e.g. when using razor edits to stretch audio, but also when copy-pasting bits and pieces. Seems a bit weird that all other edits unsync comp areas, but razor edits sync back to the source.

Related to this, I'd also like to see a mode where razor edits in the comp lane fully affect comp areas (trim/cut/copy/paste).

Currently, when you delete silence/breaths, the areas stay in sync because the source lanes are affected. I'd prefer it if the source lanes were left untouched, and the comp areas get trimmed instead:

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Shift+S does something weird (Item: Split items at time selection)

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What is the mouse modifier being used there? If it's "copy comp area and media items on all lanes together", then that seems like the intended behavior?
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What is the mouse modifier being used there? If it's "copy comp area and media items on all lanes together", then that seems like the intended behavior?
That's the one. Hmmm, it might just look weird to me as I usually have "Trim content behind media items when editing" enabled. Maybe it would make sense to respect that preference when copying comp areas?
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Related to this, I'd also like to see a mode where razor edits in the comp lane fully affect comp areas (trim/cut/copy/paste).
To clarify what I mean:

When you copy part of a synced area I'd like the copy to have an unsynced comp area (not copy the source as well).

E.g. in this scenario instead of the whole target area unsyncing, you'd get an unsynced area for the copied part in the middle, but the areas on the sides would get trimmed and remain synced.

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Small bug found:
You cannot drag and drop fx on the monitor fx button, if you do so, it produces an instant crash.
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For example, the preference "in loop recording, discard incomplete first or last takes if at least one full loop was recorded" means that lane numbers for earlier recording passes can change during the recording. When recording in lanes, new recording will be put in the highest lane where it fits, but the lane where the recording fits can change as the recording continues.
On the first sight this seems rather weird to me, but no doubt there are useful applications. But nonetheless to me it seems not to be a problem to know what name the lane will get, when it will be "published". And AFAIU, the Waveform display of the recording lane always is on top of (part of) some existing lane. Hence the name display of that lane should be able to be "toggling" with the new lane's future name.

Maybe the "lane Name Toggling" can be switched off in situation when there might be problems arising, but in the "standard" case of recording one lane after the other (using a selection loop or not) this should be possible and very handy.

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For example, the preference "in loop recording, discard incomplete first or last takes if at least one full loop was recorded" means that lane numbers for earlier recording passes can change during the recording. When recording in lanes, new recording will be put in the highest lane where it fits, but the lane where the recording fits can change as the recording continues.
Thinking about that, to me <if there is no other easy solution, such as dynamically re-using the name of a first incomplete lane> it seems not necessary that the lane names (numbers) are prone to change on the fly. IMHO it does not harm if numbers are left out in the naming sequence. In fact when you manually delete lanes, you are creating such holes anyway. Happens all the time with me without creating any confusion.
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