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Old 01-02-2018, 07:49 AM   #441
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I certainly wouldn't waste much effort trying to get the build that you have operational, experimentation is fine though, just want to set expectations properly, that is ancient code
No, no, don't worry, just reporting back what I'm seeing here on the MCU. (trying to be helpful).


Your other csurf & C4FXParams.ini works great for me as a means to an end. At least the C4 is getting some use. lol
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Something 'coding related'...

As you may have noticed, I just forked your repo on GitHub because I'm planning to follow development from time to time (out of curiousity).

Therefore, could you add a .gitignore file to your repo please ?
For reference, the .gitignore for SWS:
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Something 'coding related'...

As you may have noticed, I just forked your repo on GitHub because I'm planning to follow development from time to time (out of curiousity).

Therefore, could you add a .gitignore file to your repo please ?
For reference, the .gitignore for SWS:
https://github.com/reaper-oss/sws/bl...ter/.gitignore

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Hmmm...

Why do you need to start a branch ?

Why not just clone from time to time ?

Don't really like the idea of branches unless there is a very good reason.

Maybe I'm missing something, I use git at a primitive level, and this is my first open source project, all new territory.
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It's not about branching in the first place, I don't plan to do that currently (in the sense of making own development).

But the idea of .gitignore is to not track (version control) any intermediate / temporary / machine build files / folders but only the relevant stuff (i.e. the code).

https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/gitignore

https://zellwk.com/blog/gitignore/

It just keeps the git history cleaner and I'd say it's a rather common thing to do for git based open source projects.

But if you don't plan to add one no problem of course.
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It's not about branching in the first place, I don't plan to do that currently (in the sense of making own development).

But the idea of .gitignore is to not track (version control) any intermediate / temporary / machine build files / folders but only the relevant stuff (i.e. the code).

https://www.atlassian.com/git/tutorials/gitignore

https://zellwk.com/blog/gitignore/

It just keeps the git history cleaner and I'd say it's a rather common thing to do for git based open source projects.

But if you don't plan to add one no problem of course.
Yeah, I know what .gitignore is supposed to do, but I've never been able to get it to work properly.

Besides I ONLY check in changes to .cpp and .h files (and very occasionaly resource files) now that the project has stabilized, so there should be no problem, there won't be any updates to non relevant files.

Can you please remove the branch, or do I have to do that ?
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Correct, pan and width indicated on the leds only currently.
Sorry, My bad, pan shows and behaves as expected, width has no leds.
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Branch removed.
Thanks.

If you really think a branch is necessary at some point down the road, let's discuss.
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Sorry, My bad, pan shows and behaves as expected, width has no leds.
Hmmm... should work.

Right click on your pan and make sure it's set to Stereo Pan not Stereo Balance.
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If you really think a branch is necessary at some point down the road, let's discuss.
Ok, but I'd suggest you mention this somewhere on your GitHub that you rather wouldn't want it to be branched, because to me at least that's a very common thing to do with open source projects and besides, it's given right when using public GitHub repos.

That said, of course I respect your wish.

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Ok, but I'd suggest you mention this somewhere on your GitHub that you rather wouldn't want it to be branched, because to me at least that's a very common thing to do with open source projects and besides, it's given right when using public GitHub repos.

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It's fine just cloning as you suggested.

Imo branching makes sense when thinking about potentially making code contributions to a project (in form of pull requests, as it happens e.g. in SWS ), that was my original thought.

But that will surely come at a later point (when the code base has settled), and something to be discussed then.
So all good.
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Map format needs more refining... thinking...
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Hmmm... should work.

Right click on your pan and make sure it's set to Stereo Pan not Stereo Balance.

Just double checked everything, standard Pan working perfectly
Knobs control all functions (below) perfectly.

LEDS not so good
on WIDTH pretty flakey showing from about 25-75% and showing as a systematical fan. have to take it to 0 or 100% then bringing it towards 50% to show.
on Dual both settings are just stuck as a single led in one fixed position.
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Just double checked everything, standard Pan working perfectly
Knobs control all functions (below) perfectly.

LEDS not so good
on WIDTH pretty flakey showing from about 25-75% and showing as a systematical fan. have to take it to 0 or 100% then bringing it towards 50% to show.
on Dual both settings are just stuck as a single led in one fixed position.
Yes, once again hardwired -- dual pan does not work.

And yes the calibration is wrong on the width control, I just wanted to be sure something happened on the LED's and that the fan mode showed OK, all good.
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Good stuff, the actual control end is fine, just the feedback to displays.

Things I've noticed. Not sure if you've tackled these areas yet. But just thought I'd mention them.

TRANSPORT 》 back and forwards are not continuous, ie, pressing forward once moves the the "now marker" forward about 3/4 of a bar, press+hold does the same.

Expected - when FF is press "now marker" continues to fast forward until FF is repressed or stop or play is pressed.
When FF is pressed+held "now marker" continues to fast forward until released.

DISPLAYS 》 No timing displayed on control surface.

Scriblestrips - name and volume value share the same position, should/could Name not be constant, with all values below?
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Good stuff, the actual control end is fine, just the feedback to displays.

Things I've noticed. Not sure if you've tackled these areas yet. But just thought I'd mention them.

TRANSPORT 》 back and forwards are not continuous, ie, pressing forward once moves the the "now marker" forward about 3/4 of a bar, press+hold does the same.

Expected - when FF is press "now marker" continues to fast forward until FF is repressed or stop or play is pressed.
When FF is pressed+held "now marker" continues to fast forward until released.

DISPLAYS 》 No timing displayed on control surface.

Scriblestrips - name and volume value share the same position, should/could Name not be constant, with all values below?
Yup, all results of hardwiring and the fact that while the Avid Artist series emulates the MCU, it is missing certain features, like the timecode dis[play.
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This is Windows only for now, right Geoff?
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This is Windows only for now, right Geoff?
Nope, I develop on a Mac these days so it's both
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Nope, I develop on a Mac these days so it's both
I looked around but couldn't find the Mac version. Could you please point me out to it?
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I looked around but couldn't find the Mac version. Could you please point me out to it?
It's pre alpha and hardwired, and available here: https://stash.reaper.fm/v/31711/CSI%20pre%20alpha.zip
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Hi Geoff,
Just wondering if you have any idea when you'll be taking it from hardwired to testing maps?

Or what's is your rough plan of action?


Thanks in advance,

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Just wondering if you have any idea when you'll be taking it from hardwired to testing maps?

Or what's is your rough plan of action?


Thanks in advance,

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Working on the file format as we speak, so real soon now, famous last words

Hopefully within a month or less...
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Hopefully within a month or less...
Cool, looking forward to it.
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Hi Geoff (and any other devs of this)

I'm interested in what this project can do to improve the use of a Behringer X32 as a control surface for Reaper. You answered in another thread that the MIDI spec looks as though it should be able to do more or less what I need.

Without reading all the way through 460+ posts of this thread, many of which are people discussing things I don't properly understand (OSC etc), is there a page or post which describes what stage the project is at now? You said something would be out in a month or so hopefully, which sounds great, but I've little idea WHAT it will do....

I looked at the Donation page, and would be happy to support the project in that way, but I think it'd be great if there was a "where we are now" and "future plans" summary page somewhere.

Apologies if it exists and I've missed it....

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Hi Geoff (and any other devs of this)

I'm interested in what this project can do to improve the use of a Behringer X32 as a control surface for Reaper. You answered in another thread that the MIDI spec looks as though it should be able to do more or less what I need.

Without reading all the way through 460+ posts of this thread, many of which are people discussing things I don't properly understand (OSC etc), is there a page or post which describes what stage the project is at now? You said something would be out in a month or so hopefully, which sounds great, but I've little idea WHAT it will do....

I looked at the Donation page, and would be happy to support the project in that way, but I think it'd be great if there was a "where we are now" and "future plans" summary page somewhere.

Apologies if it exists and I've missed it....

Best wishes
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Yeah, that makes sense, it's just that this is in the very early stages and "where we are now" is moving around a lot, hopefully mostly forward

Basically it allows for deep customization and integration of control surfaces based on simple text based map files.
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i have a design question for everyone today re: multiple surface setups...

Given the following:

Reaper contains Logical Surfaces.
Logical Surfaces contain Surface Groups (bank together, etc.).
Surface Groups contains Real Surfaces (MCU, X Touch, Faderport 8, etc.).

FX maps can span Real Surfaces -- params can be spread across more than one Real Surface -- e.g. param1, param2, param7 on X Touch, param3, param5, param9 on Faderport 8.

I think a fair constraint is that FX maps can span Real Surfaces but cannot span Surface Groups -- so in the example above, it's cool if the X Touch and Faderport 8 are in the same Surface Group, but not cool if they are not in the same Surface Group.

Doesn't seem overly restrictive.

What do you think ?
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That restriction seems fine, if you can bank within the surface group.

I'd be putting things together in surface groups anyway and keep certain controls local to such a group.

For example, a surface group that functions as a custom zone that puts FX parameters of the selected track(s) at your fingertips is my priority. That's the time saver I need.

If I have to keep all the controllers I want to use for that inside one surface group, that's fine.

I'll use my MCU as one surface group for bankable control of track parameters, and everything else as another surface group to control FX parameters.


Is it possible to to change what a surface group is doing dynamically ?

I ask because at times, I'd like to use faders to control send volumes 1-8 for selected tracks for example, instead of volume or pan. So I'm wondering if switching to another set of definitions for a surface group is possible on the fly. If they duplicate what another surface group does, will this still work ? (Surface Group A controls send volume, Surface Group B does as well...)
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That restriction seems fine, if you can bank within the surface group.

I'd be putting things together in surface groups anyway and keep certain controls local to such a group.

For example, a surface group that functions as a custom zone that puts FX parameters of the selected track(s) at your fingertips is my priority. That's the time saver I need.

If I have to keep all the controllers I want to use for that inside one surface group, that's fine.

I'll use my MCU as one surface group for bankable control of track parameters, and everything else as another surface group to control FX parameters.
Yeah, I suspect that will be a popular set of maps, MCU variety for bankable stuff and C4/Console 1/roll your own varieties for FX.

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Is it possible to to change what a surface group is doing dynamically ?

I ask because at times, I'd like to use faders to control send volumes 1-8 for selected tracks for example, instead of volume or pan. So I'm wondering if switching to another set of definitions for a surface group is possible on the fly. If they duplicate what another surface group does, will this still work ? (Surface Group A controls send volume, Surface Group B does as well...)
Yes, currently 2 ways to accomplish this:

There will be "hardwired" support for FX/Sends definitions, totally customizable, of course

Now, FX/Sends are just special cases of the more general concept of dynamically swapping out Logical Surfaces.

So you could have a whole Logical Surface map that behaves as you suggest, not using the "hardwired" FX/Sends method, but using a separate Logical surface map.

The system allows for an unlimited number of Logical Surface maps, and navigation amongst maps is real time.

Even switching Logical maps is user defined, so you could have a Real Surface button mapped to iterate through maps, or you could assign different Real Surface buttons to go directly to a particular map -- or both.
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I've read through the whole thread now, although most of it is above my Pay Grade.... :-)

Currently the only HWC I have which I'd like to use with Reaper is the Behringer X32 compact, which has 17 faders (8 channel, 8 group, 1 master) and then the associated Mute/Solo etc.

It also has a permanent set of controls for EQ and Dynamics, as well as various Bank Select switches etc.

From what I understand, in MCU mode, I can use only the 8 group faders to control 8 channels in Reaper, with Bank Select switches defining WHICH set of 8 tracks in Reaper is being controlled. With MIDI Learn, I could teach Reaper to associate the EQ /Dyn controls with plugin parameters etc. But I can't do both of those things because the X32 is EITHER connected as a Hardware Surface (MCU) or a MIDI device but not both.

So for example, I'm mixing a project using the faders (8 simultaneously, or all or 16 if possible) and want to tweak an EQ/comp without having to delve into menus to reconfigure things.....

Will this project allow me to do both at the same time (or quickly switch between them?) or is that fundamentally not possible?

This may be obvious to those with more knowledge of the nuts and bolts behind these connections, but not to me....
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I got a bit lost by the group surface lingo.

But will I be able to have, normal functions (vol pan width) on MCU and XT, and if I press FX , Sends, input, output, the prams pop up on the C4?

Also will there be modifiers to allow for course and fine adjustment?
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I've read through the whole thread now, although most of it is above my Pay Grade.... :-)

Currently the only HWC I have which I'd like to use with Reaper is the Behringer X32 compact, which has 17 faders (8 channel, 8 group, 1 master) and then the associated Mute/Solo etc.

It also has a permanent set of controls for EQ and Dynamics, as well as various Bank Select switches etc.

From what I understand, in MCU mode, I can use only the 8 group faders to control 8 channels in Reaper, with Bank Select switches defining WHICH set of 8 tracks in Reaper is being controlled. With MIDI Learn, I could teach Reaper to associate the EQ /Dyn controls with plugin parameters etc. But I can't do both of those things because the X32 is EITHER connected as a Hardware Surface (MCU) or a MIDI device but not both.

So for example, I'm mixing a project using the faders (8 simultaneously, or all or 16 if possible) and want to tweak an EQ/comp without having to delve into menus to reconfigure things.....

Will this project allow me to do both at the same time (or quickly switch between them?) or is that fundamentally not possible?

This may be obvious to those with more knowledge of the nuts and bolts behind these connections, but not to me....
Man this thing is elusive, I've been looking on and off for a few days now and I can't give you a straight answer because I can't find one.

Can you use some app to see what midi messages the X32 Compact sends ?
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I got a bit lost by the group surface lingo.

But will I be able to have, normal functions (vol pan width) on MCU and XT, and if I press FX , Sends, input, output, the prams pop up on the C4?
Surface Groups are just collections of Real Surfaces that bank together, you would likely put the MCU, XT, and C4 in one Surface Group.

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Also will there be modifiers to allow for course and fine adjustment?
I would rather use acceleration/deceleration so that when you go slower it automatically gets finer, but don't know if that can be pulled off in a generic way, so, yeah, we'll drop back to coarse/fine modifiers if necessary.
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I got a bit lost by the group surface lingo.

But will I be able to have, normal functions (vol pan width) on MCU and XT, and if I press FX , Sends, input, output, the prams pop up on the C4?

Also will there be modifiers to allow for course and fine adjustment?
We'll figure this out together. PLenty of folks here have all that hardware, and we'll be sharing setups.
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Side note of interest...

I picked up a Necktar P6 the other day. Something I noticed that reminded me of this thread (I was unaware until after the purchase) is that there is an install for a csurf for Reaper. The more important part is apparently someone has went through and created mapping files (they call them integration files) for what appears to be hundreds and hundreds of VST's and VSTi's and all those mappings are part of the Reaper specific install.

IOW, when I switch to track 2 which has AD Drums as a VSTi, if I click the INST button on the Keyboard, the 3x3 inch screen (or whatever size it is), displays all the params for AD Drums which are mapped as multiple pages onscreen so that the 8 or so encoders work on various prams based on the screen you are on, same for all the FabFilter VSTs and so on. It's not something I personally need that much but someone at that company has done an awful lot of work in this area. There is also a mixer screen which has specific stuff for Reapers Master and mixer stuff and it also has a single motorized fader for the selected track.
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Man this thing is elusive, I've been looking on and off for a few days now and I can't give you a straight answer because I can't find one.

Can you use some app to see what midi messages the X32 Compact sends ?
X32 does OSC as well. That might be a good substitute if OSC can be used on devices. I've only done OSC with tablet apps like Lemur, but this all might be possible out of the box anyway.

Andy, there is OSC documentation for the X32 line. Hey, maybe you won't even need this extension .
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Andyp24 - Midi-ox or bome, will give you the midi info for the x32.


Geoff - Ooh, acceleration/deceleration sounds fantastic and very intuitive. You're giving me expectations. Lol.


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Thanks for the replies.

I'm happy to try and get the MIDI data you need for the X32 but haven't a clue what I'm doing. What I mean is, I know how (obviously) to get it connected as a MIDI device to either my PC or Mac, but I don't know what data you need, or how to generate it from the X32, even if one of the utilities mentioned by Freex will record it for me in a readable form.

I mean, do you need me to connect the desk to a MIDI capture utility, then literally move every single fader, knob, switch etc on the desk and log what message it puts out? Or is there a "dump" the desk can do of this, for example?

Airon, I know the X32 is OSC capable. If only I knew what that actually really means (short of being another communication protocol, obv). There is a website by Patrick Gilles-Maillot which has utilities for X32 <-> Reaper with OSC, but 1) the Mac utility is command line only, which puts me off a bit (I'm not used to messing around with the terminal) and 2) as far as I understand, for it to work, you have to configure the utility in advance with how many tracks are in the Reaper project. That makes it sound like a pain if you want to use the Controller as a project is in progress, rather than just as a final mix tool. I may have completely misunderstood this, of course, but the site seems lacking in a simple set up guide.

This is why I was hoping Geoff's project might be a simpler solution for me to map X32 controls to Reaper and allow simultaneous multi fader use as well as other knobs/switches etc which aren't part of the MCU definition.

Any further enlightenment or advice is welcome.... :-)
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the X32 is EITHER connected as a Hardware Surface (MCU) or a MIDI device but not both.
The X32 does feature a similar OSC implementation to the XR18 that I own, and did an OSCII-Bot script for that does bidirectional OSC communication with same.

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