Old 05-13-2019, 01:02 PM   #1
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I've got a kind of smooth R&B song I'm putting music on. The main sound is a kind of a lush Rhodes sound. It's a slow romantic song.

So, my idea is to put a chorused bass sound on a few parts of the song, not all the way through, just intro and a couple of breaks. These parts generally have licks up on the higher strings.

What I have done is record the whole song with straight ahead bass.

Then, my first idea was to send that track to another track. I high passed pretty severely so I don't chorus the low part of the bass sound. I want the high chorus sound to spread but the lows to stay mono.

I then tried
Kjaerhaus Classic Chorus
Kjaerhaus Flange
Azurite

however I am not getting much chorus action AT ALL. Those plugs have generally done a good job for me before, but on guitar and they were in series. They also spread out the stereo field nicely

My idea is to automate up this second track whenever I need the chorus sound and pull it down when not in use.

I tried a quick mix and had a listen in my car and it is VERY underwhelming. I can barely hear the chorus effect.

Looking for some ideas.
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:17 PM   #2
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Acon Digital Multiply is a pretty tasty chorus, and free.
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:29 PM   #3
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Valhalla Space Modulator, use the Symphonic mode or Tri-tone mode

Or better yet, buy a Yamaha SPX 990, use the Symphonic preset to reamp your bass tone.
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Old 05-13-2019, 01:36 PM   #4
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Acon Digital Multiply is a pretty tasty chorus, and free.
oooh yeah, I love this one, you should really try it.
For chorus, my choice seems to always be towards the ultra simple and free TAL Chorus LX, I just love its sound. https://tal-software.com/products/tal-chorus-lx

Blue Cat's Chorus is also free... and so is Mercuriall new Chorus WS-1 ("stomp box").

For some reason, all the choruses I use are free VSTs!
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Is your request for suggestions on which chorus might be better, or on how to get the chorused track more obvious?

Is it possible your filter has too high of a threshold? What about if the main bass track is drowning out the effected track?

You could also duplicate the bass track, hpf and chorus the duplicate, and automate the levels according to the parts of the song.
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Soundtoys MicroShift?
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^^^ +1

Better than I can say it:

https://www.cre8musicacademy.com/bes...le-microshift/
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Old 05-13-2019, 06:25 PM   #9
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The Tal chorus seems to work on everything, in my opinion.

Most of the plugins mentioned are really good. I would add the HY-ChoFla as well. Nice sounding and flexible.
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Old 05-13-2019, 08:05 PM   #10
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Looking for some ideas.
I've always liked the sound of the freebee "Bass Chorus" although I end up using it more frequently on other instruments besides my basses.

https://www.kvraudio.com/product/bas...clone_ensemble
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So, my idea is to put a chorused bass sound on a few parts of the song, not all the way through, just intro and a couple of breaks. These parts generally have licks up on the higher strings.

What I have done is record the whole song with straight ahead bass.

Then, my first idea was to send that track to another track. I high passed pretty severely so I don't chorus the low part of the bass sound. I want the high chorus sound to spread but the lows to stay mono.

I then tried...
It sounds to me like you're trying to do two different things... First, work the bass tone. That split-track HPF/LPF thing is a great trick that allows you to process the highs and lows separately, particularly in terms of compression and EQ.

I would stick your favorite chorus on the "high" channel(I like the TAL Chorus as well), and then just automate the wet/dry balance on the chorus VST as needed.
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Old 05-14-2019, 06:48 AM   #12
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Parallel chorus will be very subtle anyway because chorus is all about the mix of the original signal with the modulated signal.

High-passing severely will make this even less noticeable, because there isn't much energy going on up there on a bass guitar.

You could try to go for mono chorus (still works fine, just like using a chorus pedal in front of an amp), or instead of sending to the chorus, have the chorus as an insert and send pre-fx to a channel for lows that you have low-passed.

Or just try stereo chorus across the bass and see if that works. Don't be scared of stereo bass!
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Old 05-14-2019, 08:36 AM   #13
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How severely are you hi passing?

Try going lower. I wouldnt go above 250hz which is already into the low mids.

Azurite, Acon Multiply, Valhalla, etc are all great choruses so they are not the problem.
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Old 05-14-2019, 08:43 AM   #14
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Thanks for the input guys.

I abandoned the parallel thing and instead dug up one of Kenny's videos about Splitting the signal by frequency.

I sent everything over 500 through the chorus and left the bottom alone.

I then tried Acon Multiply and I admit, NOTHING ELSE really does that for me as far as a chorus plugin. In headphones, it is very obvious. I decide to just leave it on the whole song!


Much better but still a little too subtle, not sure why. I may have to also EQ that upper band to exaggerate the effect.

May try TAL as well. Anybody ever tried it on a bass?
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I would get the bass tone you like and then duplicate the track. Then cut out the parts you want chorus on on the first track. Then add the chorus FX to the second track and cut out the parts you don't want the chorus on. Then you can manipulate each track for the desired sound without one being so dependent on the other.

my $0.02.
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Valhalla Space Modulator, use the Symphonic mode or Tri-tone mode
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I've got a kind of smooth R&B song I'm putting music on. The main sound is a kind of a lush Rhodes sound. It's a slow romantic song.

So, my idea is to put a chorused bass sound on a few parts of the song, not all the way through, just intro and a couple of breaks. These parts generally have licks up on the higher strings.

What I have done is record the whole song with straight ahead bass.

Then, my first idea was to send that track to another track. I high passed pretty severely so I don't chorus the low part of the bass sound. I want the high chorus sound to spread but the lows to stay mono.

I then tried
Kjaerhaus Classic Chorus
Kjaerhaus Flange
Azurite

however I am not getting much chorus action AT ALL. Those plugs have generally done a good job for me before, but on guitar and they were in series. They also spread out the stereo field nicely

My idea is to automate up this second track whenever I need the chorus sound and pull it down when not in use.

I tried a quick mix and had a listen in my car and it is VERY underwhelming. I can barely hear the chorus effect.

Looking for some ideas.

Triple track the bass part ie. play it actually three different times

Center one
Hard pan left/right the two others, and cut the lows from them
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The Tal chorus seems to work on everything, in my opinion.
yup!

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Most of the plugins mentioned are really good. I would add the HY-ChoFla as well. Nice sounding and flexible.
But it has been discontinued, and somehow replaced with their new multieffect ,
HY-MBMFX2 (free)
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But it has been discontinued, and somehow replaced with their new multieffect ,
HY-MBMFX2 (free)
Ahhh. They've been releasing new plugs fairly regularly, but I haven't been keeping up lately. The multi-band functionality in that plug is exactly what some of the other's in this thread are suggesting. Worth a shot if Tal isn't what you're looking for. Great developer.
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Old 05-15-2019, 02:06 PM   #20
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I find the JS Delay w/Chorus to be pretty effective. Using it on some Jaco passages at the moment with the following setting:
Delay 80ms
Feedback -20db
Output Wet(Chorus) -6db
Output Wet (Clean) -6db
Output Dry 0db
Chorus Period 400ms
Chorus Length 2ms

Subtle but makes the fretless sound nice.
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