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10-15-2022, 04:34 PM
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Best way to change entire project key (transpose audio and MIDI)?
Let's say you are working with a vocalist and they request that the entire track be in a different key.
Would the most seamless way to do this be:
1. Select all audio in the project and in the properties window enter the correct of amount of semitones to transpose by.
2. Then select all the midi in the project and within the media item properties window, open the midi item properties window and select an amount of semitones to transpose.
Is this the better way to approach this?
Is there a difference between transposing MIDI from the midi properties window vs. transposing midi in the midi editor?
Last edited by skylar_battles; 10-15-2022 at 07:06 PM.
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10-15-2022, 04:57 PM
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Usually I just select all the tonal content and use "Item properties: Pitch item down/up one semitone" actions (shift+9/0 by default)
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Is there a difference between transposing MIDI from the midi properties window vs. transposing midi in the midi editor?
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If you set pitch of MIDI item say +1 then C goes to C# but visually still C in the Midi Editor. That's the difference.
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10-15-2022, 07:04 PM
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Thanks! Shift 9/0 is new for me and very helpful!
Thanks for the clarification about the different methods of midi transposition. It seems doing it from the midi editor would be far less confusing in that case.
I imagine someone could set up a custom action for this to all happen at once, which I may look into.
Thanks again
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10-16-2022, 03:17 AM
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Another approach is to set One MIDI editor per project in Preferences. Check also Make secondary items editable by default, uncheck Avoid automatically setting MIDI items from other tracks editable. Set Behavior for "open items in built-in MIDI editor" to "Open all MIDI in the project". Now when you open MIDI editor, you can select notes and move them up/down or just go to View->Transpose, set it to All notes and do what you want.
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10-16-2022, 12:14 PM
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10-16-2022, 12:21 PM
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Thanks for your detailed response and thread link!
I looked at the thread but to me your approach seems a lot simpler to be quite honest with you.
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10-16-2022, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by skylar_battles
Thanks for your detailed response and thread link!
I looked at the thread but to me your approach seems a lot simpler to be quite honest with you.
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Well yeah, you see the difference immediately.
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11-26-2022, 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by vitalker
Another approach is to set One MIDI editor per project in Preferences. Check also Make secondary items editable by default, uncheck Avoid automatically setting MIDI items from other tracks editable. Set Behavior for "open items in built-in MIDI editor" to "Open all MIDI in the project". Now when you open MIDI editor, you can select notes and move them up/down or just go to View->Transpose, set it to All notes and do what you want.
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Thank you for this - it's very helpful.
And thank you, skylar_battles for asking a question I hadn't realized I wanted an answer for.
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11-26-2022, 03:19 PM
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Of course!
The only new thing I thought would be helpful to consider would be locking MIDI and audio items that are one shot drum style samples. That way your drum sounds don't get screwed up as I imagine for the most part one wouldn't want there percussion necessarily pitched and warped when changing the key of the song.
So maybe the process could be lock items to not be pitched, transpose audio, transpose midi how Vitalker suggested! I imagine a custom action could be made for this.
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11-26-2022, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by skylar_battles
Of course!
The only new thing I thought would be helpful to consider would be locking MIDI and audio items that are one shot drum style samples. That way your drum sounds don't get screwed up as I imagine for the most part one wouldn't want there percussion necessarily pitched and warped when changing the key of the song.
So maybe the process could be lock items to not be pitched, transpose audio, transpose midi how Vitalker suggested! I imagine a custom action could be made for this.
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Yep, I already thought of that, too. I guess you are right. Locking items should help. On the other hand, if you'd use the JSFX from that thread, you could simply subtract/add same number of semitones as you added/subtracted to/from other tracks.
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11-26-2022, 04:02 PM
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Thanks vitalker for sharing your super-powers-midi editing technique. It seems a combination of both techniques can be useful in practice, depending what is more important in that situation.
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