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Old 09-17-2017, 08:02 AM   #1
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v5.60pre1 - September 17 2017
+ Automation items: avoid mess when editing multiple instances of the same automation item at once via action or envelope control panel knob [p=1886201]
+ Elastique: enable Soloist speech mode
+ Elastique: updated to v3.23
+ Envelopes: avoid potential bad outcome when deleting all envelope points and automation items within time selection [p=1886055]
+ MIDI editor: label channel pressure messages consistently (not "channel aftertouch") p=1884306]
+ MIDI editor: preview note in key on first mouse down when key snap enabled [t=113708]
+ Media explorer: improve measure-synced tempo matching behavior for some tempos/blocksizes [t=195830]
+ Notation editor: improve localization [p=1883539]
+ Peaks display settings: fix UI glitch when items have spectrogram enabled [t=196088]
+ Pitch shifter/timestretch: new menu system for parameter modes
+ Pitch shifters: support loading extrashifter.dll/.dylib for developers
+ ReaTune: improved/simplified manual edit colors
+ Spectral editing: clicking on item clears spectral edit selection
+ Spectral editing: separate controls for fade in/out/low/high rather than just time/frequency
+ Spectral editing: shift+drag of edges adjusts fade of that edge
+ Take FX: improve handling of PDC changes [t=194308]
+ Take FX: improve handling of PDC with master playspeed envelopes
+ Timestretch: add Rubber Band Library
+ Undo: improve mute envelope automation recording behavior
+ Undo: prevent storing many duplicate empty state blocks in history
+ Undo: support more efficient encoding of track configurations in history (new undo histories will not be loadable by 5.50 or earlier)
+ VST: allow plug-ins to override escape key via effEditKeyDown etc
+ VST: allow plug-ins to override spacebar via effEditKeyDown
+ VST: prevent plug-ins from sizing window from other threads
+ Web Interface: added More Me Personal Monitor Controller (more_me.html)
+ Windows: improve support for application/user paths with non-latin characters
+ Windows: make horizontal mousewheel option obey mousewheel focus preference
# Theme: set folderdepth for envcp context
# VST3: upgrade to SDK 3.6.7 (should hopefully have no change in function)

Some really really nice additions!

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Old 09-17-2017, 08:30 AM   #2
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Are there any plans to add mouse modifiers for spectral edit commands?

Such as changing the draw-edge modifier, the copy modifier or a modifier to directly draw one in?
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Some really really nice additions!
Ooo yesss- fishing for some squishing-bugs beware.
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Old 09-17-2017, 09:11 AM   #4
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jumping ahead so many version numbers is going to make users scared.


If we're tweaking ReaTune, please consider the mouse zoom and scroll commands. They should match the user's arrange view settings or else have it's own custom shortcuts. It's very difficult to go back and forth when zoom and scroll are different. I'm a big fan of ReaTune otherwise.


Really interesting and good ideas in this pre. Will test later today
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Cool stuff!

One nitpick about the spectal edit though: when you first insert the edit box, its top is aligned with the top of the item, and if you try to grab it with the mouse, it grabs the item's volume handle instead (if you're using the handle setting instead of a knob in Prefs->Appearance->Media->Item volume control). This is counterintuitive to me at least; the edit box should take priority. I can always grab the volume handle outside of the box.
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One nitpick about the spectal edit though: when you first insert the edit box, its top is aligned with the top of the item, and if you try to grab it with the mouse, it grabs the item's volume handle instead (if you're using the handle setting instead of a knob in Prefs->Appearance->Media->Item volume control). This is counterintuitive to me at least; the edit box should take priority. I can always grab the volume handle outside of the box.
And I have one more thing to add to that. When I apply a Take Volume envelope, it ends up right between the spectro and peak view, it's quite unhandy there and I would prefer it be in the middle of the peak view.

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Old 09-17-2017, 09:52 AM   #7
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Hi.., in media item properties when i change the elastic pitch to 'rubber band library - time domain smoothing' then click apply, when i press play the channel the stretched media item is in mutes and says automated..?.

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Hi.., in media item properties when i change the elastic pitch to 'rubber band library - time domain smoothing'
Here I started getting loud pops/clicks at the beginning of the media file when that option was enabled. (A bit different each time when starting playback.)
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If we're tweaking ReaTune, please consider the mouse zoom and scroll commands. They should match the user's arrange view settings or else have it's own custom shortcuts. It's very difficult to go back and forth when zoom and scroll are different. I'm a big fan of ReaTune otherwise.
A big +1 to this. I made a thread about that very thing a few years ago here....
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=152130
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Here I started getting loud pops/clicks at the beginning of the media file when that option was enabled. (A bit different each time when starting playback.)
Same here.

Exciting to have this in though devs! Thanks!
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+ Pitch shifters: support loading extrashifter.dll/.dylib for developers
+ Timestretch: add Rubber Band Library
whoa!! :-)
i can't believe you did this so quickly!
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Would love more info about the below two things!

+ Web Interface: added More Me Personal Monitor Controller (more_me.html)
Couldn't get this to work here yet. It sounds like it's going to allow a musician in the studio to adjust the receives going to a track in reaper?

If that's the case that's amazing and will save a hell of a lot of money for studios if they can just get the band members to use their phones/tablets for headphone mixes!


+ Pitch shifters: support loading extrashifter.dll/.dylib for developers
This sounds cool. Any examples of uses for this?
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+ Pitch shifters: support loading extrashifter.dll/.dylib for developers
This sounds cool. Any examples of uses for this?
3rd party time/pitch algorithms. Currently none are available but maybe eventually...
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3rd party time/pitch algorithms. Currently none are available but maybe eventually...
hopefully! fingers crossed on that one!
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If we're tweaking ReaTune, please consider the mouse zoom and scroll commands. They should match the user's arrange view settings or else have it's own custom shortcuts. It's very difficult to go back and forth when zoom and scroll are different. I'm a big fan of ReaTune otherwise.
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A big +1 to this. I made a thread about that very thing a few years ago here....
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=152130
+2 on this. Also I think it would be nice to be able to "sync to project".
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+ Windows: make horizontal mousewheel option obey mousewheel focus preference
Unfortunately no change regarding Logitech MX Master issue
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If we're tweaking ReaTune, please consider the mouse zoom and scroll commands. They should match the user's arrange view settings or else have it's own custom shortcuts. It's very difficult to go back and forth when zoom and scroll are different. I'm a big fan of ReaTune otherwise.
I can't be more agree with this point. I am a great fan of reatune too and YES! go from reatune to a normal project and viceversa is a mess due to the Zoom issue. so +1 for that.

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Also, How did I manage to miss that!

With spectral editing, you can now draw any shape you want on them!

That might have been in there for ages but maybe I missed it, anyway. That's awesome! Thanks
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+ Undo: improve mute envelope automation recording behavior
+ Undo: prevent storing many duplicate empty state blocks in history
+ Undo: support more efficient encoding of track configurations in history (new undo histories will not be loadable by 5.50 or earlier)
Nice work on undo...

However undoing envelope point selections is STILL broken! Preferences->General->Undo settings, include selection [x] envelope point does nothing whatsoever - undo points do get created, but upon undo, envelope point selection is NOT reverted!

See here:

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Nice work on undo...

However undoing envelope point selections is STILL broken! Preferences->General->Undo settings, include selection [x] envelope point does nothing whatsoever - undo points do get created, but upon undo, envelope point selection is NOT reverted!

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Fixing that, thanks
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whoa!! :-)
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Here I started getting loud pops/clicks at the beginning of the media file when that option was enabled. (A bit different each time when starting playback.)
Yeah it seems to be a bug/feature of that setting, for whatever reason...
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3rd party time/pitch algorithms. Currently none are available but maybe eventually...
Pretty awesome. Would that in theory allow implementing, say, Paulstretch as a native Reaper function? :P
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+ Elastique: enable Soloist speech mode
+ Elastique: updated to v3.23
I use v2 speech soloist mode a lot. Nice to have one more specialized option, thank you.

Was this crap before or not working for some reason ?
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Indeed.


I wish something similar could be done for resamplers, so that we could somehow link to SoX, too
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Would it be possible to improve spectrogram display when zoomed out? For example, show maximum level within the timerange under each pixel, similar to normal peak waveforms.

Current spectrogram zooming can be a bit confusing:


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I actually cannot find this file at all! It should be in reaper_www_root but it's not there!
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Web browser Fancier.html

Please hide the mobile browser navigation.
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I wish something similar could be done for resamplers, so that we could somehow link to SoX, too
+1 on this!
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Pretty awesome. Would that in theory allow implementing, say, Paulstretch as a native Reaper function? :P
Probably yes, but unfortunately at the moment there isn't enough documentation on how to create the extrashifter.dll and also there's the problem the settings data for the shifter needs to fit into 16 bits. (That's right, not even 16 bytes, but 16 bits.) The PaulStretch algorithm really would need more settings data available...
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+2 on this. Also I think it would be nice to be able to "sync to project".

Please please please????
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Sneaking in another pitch algorithm, I see
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Would it be possible to improve spectrogram display when zoomed out? For example, show maximum level within the timerange under each pixel, similar to normal peak waveforms.

Current spectrogram zooming can be a bit confusing:


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I think you'd find that if you did that you'd have just as useless a display of information as the current implementation (which seems to be averaging colour, hence the total black as that's 99.9% of the pixel at that point).
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I think you'd find that if you did that you'd have just as useless a display of information as the current implementation (which seems to be averaging colour, hence the total black as that's 99.9% of the pixel at that point).
It looks like the current implementation is not averaging color. It looks like it is showing sparse periodic samples of the full spectrogram when zooming out.

Here is another example:


If you would want to use spectrogram to visually find some short noises (for example clicks or clipping) in a long recording, you would have to zoom in and manually scroll through the whole recording. It would be much easier to locate the noises if the zoomed out spectrogram would show maximum level within the timerange under each pixel. Maybe that could be added as an option in "Peaks Display Settings".

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Thanks for the spectral editing improvements Justin. I've had my studio torn apart all day for some rearrangements but I intend to test this out tonight.
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Hello-um made full 32bit fresh install with rearoute- getting odd asio behaviours here + rubberband snapped in 1st hour...>



^ASIO is working fine on it's own..

Time domain spiking>



I think there will be more to follow-- if found.
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Thank you for that, and what does this mean:
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would it be feasible for ReaTune to accept midi input to set scale dynamically?
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What is and how does rubber band work?
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What is and how does rubber band work?
it's another pitchshifter/timestretcher
http://breakfastquay.com/rubberband/

some info about the possible options/settings:
http://breakfastquay.com/rubberband/...abc9997d9e5cd0

try it with some quite extreme settings, like a hihat sample with a playrate of 0.01, and experiment with the smoothness and stuff.. quite nice! :-)
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