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Surge 1.6.2 VST in Linux
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I've been doing Wiki entries, bug testing and preset design for Surge the formerly commercial now open-source wavetable synth! It's a really wonderful project, lots of great stuff coming up in the upcoming release. Some linux programmers JUST added an LV2 build yesterday. I think Surge is a very versatile synth and good companion to REAPER on any platform, but the linux version needs some work We don't have many users doing bug reports in Linux, if anyone has time to check out the "nightly" builds and post some bug reports in the github, it would be very appreciated! https://surge-synthesizer.github.io/#downloads We want to make the 1.6.2 release at the end of the month as awesome and stable as possible on all platforms. This is an overview of all the bugs I've noticed in REAPER and VST in general: https://github.com/surge-synthesizer/surge/issues/1105 |
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Thanks for helping bring a better Surge into the future.
An LV2 version would be a great option. Some basic utility to change the panel and text colors, ala ichiro Toda's Synth1, would be excellent. Thanks for creating .deb versions, very cool to get up and running quickly! Cheers |
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nice, well I haven't done any of programming so none of those things aren't because of me, but yes! Lots of cool things happening. My understanding is, GUI code of Surge is spread out throughout lots of different sections of the code, so it's gonna be a while until the theme stuff can be customized.
The LV2 version is already up and running as of yesterday! It's already as stable as the VST versions as far as I have experienced. You have to download the beta or (nightly build) there is a link on the website just under the main downloads. The nightly build has a crap ton of new improvements, such as ability to load Serum format Wavetables, alternate tunings and much much more: https://surge-synthesizer.github.io/changelog/ The plan is to have all this stuff in the main build for the end of the month, so if you have a chance to check the nightly build for bugs please let me know here, or even better let everyone know on the github. |
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Funny you started this thread, I just started using it the other day. It's in the aur on Manjaro but there's a problem with gui scaling in Reaper. I found out on the github that scaling works with the vst3 version so I got it from the nightly builds & indeed it does scale/zoom correctly now.
It is a great synth with some very decent patches. I'm going to spend a bit of time learning it over the weekend, so I'll see what I can do about reporting bugs when I get a chance to spend a bit more time with it.
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Just created my first patch in Surge & found it pretty intuitive to use so far. It's a very powerful & very fully featured synth utilizing subtractive, fm & wavetable synthesis. I'm a big fan of wavetable synthesis so of course my first patch had to include some heavy wavetable morphing.
I'm going to have a lot of fun with this synth & cant wait to try out some serum wavetables. I have Serum but it's a bit unstable gui-wise when running in reaper via linvst.
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Awesome!
If you like wavetables... I've made a pretty big collection of wavetables based on the VSCO open-source orchestral library for the new update, so that will be included soon as well! You can try it out in it's current form by putting it in your user preset folder (surge will automatically figure out they are tables and put them in the wavetable menu) https://www.dropbox.com/s/gjn1e6eh3t...-VSCO.zip?dl=0 I'll only have this link briefly as it's gonna be included in the new versions, but try them out! Something to try: wavetable oscillator in Surge can now open "one-shots" if the wav file is not tagged with loops, I have a couple included in that library, gonna add a couple more before I release it. If you get a chance couple bugs I'm experiencing on Linux that I'm trying to see if anyone can reproduce on other systems: - preset menu is very slow (when you open it and try and move around it's super laggy) - sliders are a tad slow in VST version ESPECIALLY sliders which change graphical stuff (like morph in the wavetable) LV2 is better, but still slow on sliders which change oscillator or LFO graphics. - there was a weird bug with storing/naming presets where you couldn't type unless you clicked in a certain area of the textbox. It only effected "openbox" window manager (which I was using through LXDE desktop envirtonment) If you have a way to test these things on your system and let me know would really appreciate it! thanks |
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I'm not a fan of installers that didn't come from my distro, and have done this before with other plugins that had .deb installers and it worked fine. REAPER doesn't see any new plugins when I do it with Surge. Doing a clear cache and rescan in REAPER blows toward the end when I'm guessing it's trying to probe the .so file for Surge. |
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Since this has LV2, VST2, VST3, plus a bunch of presets (which need to go in the right location) I can understand the Deb package approach. There are also a couple dependencies it needs to resolve if they're not on the system. I forget what they were but they didn't look like they'd mess with anything. It's a relatively innocent Deb package.
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Just gonna find an Ubuntu w KDE that is healthy and then I must/shall try this, wave support, huh?
I saw the news about this but somehow I did not think that this means anyone can continue on it and actually would, who-ho!
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Yea the community around it right now super exciting. It's mostly been one person doing coding and handful of other people doing little things.
Some linux people swooped in and made an LV2 this week! They have also been doing bug fixes for the linux version. So if you notice any bugs definitely post on the github... or post here and I'll make an issue if you don't have time. Re: the deb installer: So you'd prefer having a download just for the vst/lv2/vst3 and then a download for the content? |
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If you’re using manjaro it’s in the aur. Although I’d advice using the vst3 version from the nightly build because the vst 2 version gui doesn’t scale properly in reaper. So after installing from the aur just extract the vst3 .so to your .vst3 folder & it should work.
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My first impression was actually about that because 100% is a tad small on 1440p So i set it to run as native and then I tried the grow by 25% instead, seem to have kicked it/woke it up in the right direction, because after that 150% worked all of a sudden, hmm. I'm giving Ubuntu a go now since I kinda agree that there should be no need to convert files, or the AUR thingie, KDE is staying though! Thanks for the tip/report!
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Awesome!
Just an FYI if you are downloading nightlies For the bugs I mentioned: The folks working on the Linux bugs are killing it right now there has been like 3 new builds with fixes in the last 24 hours, so keep that in mind! Still getting some bugs but things are already looking much better than 2 days ago. If you do notice anything (especially if it's not something that been reported), now is a good time to post bug reports since there is lots of interest and people are already digging into the code to get the linux VST/LV2 stable for the 1.6.2 release. |
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For the manual installation thing.
Surge isn't really portable yet on any platform (there is a request issue for that so it might happen down the line) So it would be kinda messy to support that for the developers. Portability is definitely not in the pipeline for the next stable release, and it would be the kinda thing that would have to be added in a stable release I think. If you want more control over the install I would suggest building from source or unpacking the .deb file. |
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I will try the unpacking thing next time so i don't have permission issues with my own VST folder, somthing like that, and glennbo is more sensitive than me on this, thats all.
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Terminal on Lib, sudo chown SmajjL vst
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There were a couple additional packages (dependencies) that were required when I installed the deb package. I doubt the .so plugin extracted from the deb package will work without those. If you want to extract the plugin from the deb, look at this info to figure out what dependencies it requires and check if you have them on your system. (Other than the VST2 SDK, which you won't require since you're not building the plugin.)
I'd originally tried to run the .so from the deb and reaper wouldn't recognize it. So it'll probably happen to you too if you don't have the dependencies. |
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Roger that! thank for doing that! learning Linux stuff every day here
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Looks interesting Wasn't there a Surge some months ago? Is this another one or just a new version?
I remember that the old one was not working with Debian 9, this version seems to work, at least I didn't read that it's not working with Debian 9. So in Debian 9 I have to ... Code:
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yeah it's been out for a while!
Some contributors on the project have been really whipping the Linux version into shape lately! 1.6.2 should be released by the end of the month... I've been doing lots of bug reports for Linux because I want the Linux version to be as good as the other platforms if possible, and there just isn't very many users reporting on Linux so far. Just wanna reiterate: things have been getting fixed every single day lately so now is a REALLY good time to post bug reports if you notice stuff. Some people are really getting into the Linux code so its fresh on their minds. |
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I tried to resize but it doesn't work. For me the default size is to small. Very hard to see everything clearly. Haven't played around much but it seems to be really good. If I found more bugs, I report here. Linux distro in my signature
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Is that the vst2 version? There have been problems reported with the vst2 version & zooming/scaling in Reaper. The vst3 version works though, you can get it from the nightly builds. Surge-website , the link is at the bottom of the page.
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I installed it with gdebi in Debian 9. When I look in the /usr/lib/vst folder all plugins are installed under "root" except of surge, which is installed under 1001
Did something went wrong here? It's also not found with e.g. Reaper.
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Didn't know about vst3 version. Added path in Reaper and now zooming is working ok, but with some graphic issues just when you resize.
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Yes, rescan didn't work. I deinstalled it again as the 1001 looked strange to me. If there's any solution I'll give it another try.
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If you install the vst to /home/your-home-folder/.vst/ folder, make sure it's added to the list in reapers plugin path & rescan it should work & also pickup the patches destination folder that was installed previously.
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I used the gdebi installer and couldn't decide where to install the VST.
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You can just use an archive manager & extract whatever is in there to wherever you want. I'd suggest extracting to surge.so to your .vst folder. Although even after all that you may have problems zooming/scaling the gui. If that's the case just use the vst3 version from the nightly builds, I explain how to do this in a previous post.
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If you think there is a bug in there that should be investigated, just post a lil more detail here and I'll bring it to the github: - DAW (obviously thats REAPER in this case, but if you use any other DAWS and notice differences of behaviour that is definitely notable!) - flavour of linux & desktop environment/window manager (I've noticed some bugs with graphics so far that change drastically from different window managers) - the version of the plugin that is specifically giving problems. (is it vst2 only or both?) - can you get it working correctly with a workaround? Can the exact stage of operation the bug is occurring be isolated? |
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Track 1 is VST3 and it almost hides Menu buttom and chops of the yellow/orange section (I'm colorblind so I don't see if it is yellow or orange). Track 2 is VST2 and I can't resize it, but it doesn't hide Menu or the other thing in yellow section. Both is on default size. I loaded up Ardour and VST2 is working perfect as LV2 version. Can resize without any problems. VST3 doesn't popup, maybe it doesn't support VST3 yet. I had this version two days ago: Surge-linux-x64-NIGHTLY-2019-09-07-3df2128 And installed this one yesterday: Surge-linux-x64-NIGHTLY-2019-09-08-15701c8 and that is the current installed version Here's some info on my computer (inxi -Fxz): Code:
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Not working for me. I downloaded the nightly builds, extracted the files and copied surge.so (VST) into my /home/.../.vst folder. Rescan -> nothing. ?
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Double click on deb and see what your missing and do a search for it via terminal. Hope this help.
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Ok @tobbe I'll post that bug report in Github!
I have actually noticed a clipping issue like that with graphics as well. Yeah VST3 is only really working in REAPER so far, it's unclear why is my understanding. That one has been hard to diagnose. My understanding from what all the developers have been saying is that supporting VST3 is a huge pain in Linux (and to develop in general) It's telling that LV2 is already more stable than VST2 or VST3 and it's only existed for like 5 days. EDIT: VST2 resizing is an issue with VST standard on linux, not really fixable unfortunately. Fix for VST3 bug you described is coming soon! Last edited by J Riley Hill; 09-09-2019 at 05:34 PM. |
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Sorry I can't be more help for this one. If you'd like to install it I'm sure someone on the Github could help, people are very responsive with this project. Is the deb file not an option for you? Am I right in saying that a fair number of people here would prefer a bash installer script that could be edited and customized instead of a deb file? I can bring that to the team as a request. EDIT: Ok I made feature request for a bash installer script for Surge, one of the developers gave some insight into why it hasn't been done yet: https://github.com/surge-synthesizer/surge/issues/1143 Its not something that would be included in the next release but definitely a possibility for the future. This IS an open-source project so keep in mind two things: - a lot of what gets done is either because it's what the people doing it want to do, or it seems like what is the easiest best way for a thing to get done OR it seems obvious that lots of people want it so it's important. - the project is always open to new contributors so if writing a bash install script / script to compile the necessary files in a tar.gz OR if doing something like what Paul is suggesting (giving people tools and info to make the deb extraction and installing process simpler) is something you'd be interested in doing please talk a look. I'd add that the community of this project is really good, it's a fun open-source project to be involved with Last edited by J Riley Hill; 09-09-2019 at 05:33 PM. |
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