Old 01-07-2018, 04:01 PM   #1
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Just got some Waves Plugins. I use 2 computers for music. A desktop and a laptop. What's the recommended way to keep the license? Should I put it on a USB or Cloud?

With cloud, while the license is one central place, I will have to keep transferring from cloud to device every time depending on which computer I am using.

It seems like with USB it's like an iLok and I can move the USB between computers. What happens if I lose the USB device?
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Old 01-07-2018, 05:01 PM   #2
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You can choose which ones to put on USB and which ones are licensed to a single PC. That way, the ones you use on different machines are easily portable. That comes in handy when you want to run two systems with different Waves plugins at the same time. For example, you might be recording on one system and have your mixing plugins on that and you might have another you use as a VST instrument host which is plugged into your main system.

If you have them on USB and you lose the USB stick or it breaks, Waves allow one recovery of licenses per year. It is a painless process to recover them. I actually had to use that recently and was back up and running in minutes.
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Old 01-08-2018, 12:46 AM   #3
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If you have them on USB and you lose the USB stick or it breaks, Waves allow one recovery of licenses per year. It is a painless process to recover them. I actually had to use that recently and was back up and running in minutes.
This is great...until you do it more than once in a year. Maybe they have gotten more friendly, but a few years ago they were extremely unhelpful to me with this..... Just sayin'
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Old 01-08-2018, 01:45 PM   #4
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I had success with the usb method between a home PC and a travelling laptop. I bought a small usb hub and an alligator case (tank) for the usb stick and a Steinberg key. (I don't think I needed an iLok at that point, but I'm guessing that would have worked...) Everything ran fine on both machines.

Not to be 'that guy,' but protect it like your car keys. Don't lose them
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Old 01-08-2018, 03:05 PM   #5
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I use the Cloud method. Too paranoid about USB sticks getting lost.

Yes there's the added hassle of transferring licences with their app, but it's pretty quick and painless. Teamviewer gets me round the problem of forgetting or not knowing I need to transfer licences before leaving the studio or home.

I do wish they'd allow two licences per purchase though.
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I do wish they'd allow two licences per purchase though.
I fully agree with you on that. Pretty much every other plugin developer I have purchased from allow at least two.
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Old 01-14-2019, 09:06 AM   #7
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Yes, I agree, they should at least allow two licences per purchase. That would still prevent most of the misuse while being much more friendly towards the people that paid money for these plugins.

I use a main computer in my studio, and have a laptop for work on the road or in other studios. I have been in the situation that I forgot to transfer my Waves licenses so many times now that I tend to avoid using the Waves plugins on my projects.
I do like the handful of Waves plugins that I bought, but their licensing policy keeps me from using them, and it definitely keeps me from buying more...

I can only hope that one day they will relax their policy a bit. But I am not holding my breath...

EDIT: I just noticed that this thread is more than a year old, my apologies for resurrecting it. However, what I said still holds true.

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Old 01-14-2019, 09:16 AM   #8
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I have thought Waves is the evil, till I have used iLok(ed) plug-in recently...

May be as a hardware is not so bad (apart from the price and apart from the schema to replace in case of problems, the fact you need a spare stick laying around and all related extra costs).
But I have decided to give iLok Cloud a try. Surprise, iLok Cloud WAS DOWN ONE DAY LONG. No explanation, no excuse, no announcement. Support team on holidays.

I do not know if Waves servers are more stable, but I guess it is a bad idea to hope everything will work 24/7. And when it fails, it will happened with worse possible timing...
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If you have them on USB and you lose the USB stick or it breaks, Waves allow one recovery of licenses per year. It is a painless process to recover them. I actually had to use that recently and was back up and running in minutes.
AFAIK this is valin ONLY if you currently have a Waves Update Plan. If you have not renewed your WUP and lost the USB stick you are out of luck.
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Curious: Has anyone successfully made a backup of their waves central USB stick?

Probably not, but...
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Curious: Has anyone successfully made a backup of their waves central USB stick?

Probably not, but...
I tried, but you can't. I mean you can copy the stuffs of your USB stick but it will not work. I even tried with a software that do low level USB stick duplication, but it don't work.

Maybe someone has better luck making a backup of the USB stick with Waves licenses. That would be great as I have been out of WUP for years and I and always afraid of losing my stick.
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Curious: Has anyone successfully made a backup of their waves central USB stick?
You can of course backup the Waves licenses on the USB stick. If at a later time you should by mistake delete the licenses from the USB stick, you can simply copy them back to the original location.

However, these licenses are tied to the hardware (internal serial number of the USB stick). They do not work if copied to any other USB stick.

This means that the backup licenses are useless if you lose the USB stick.

The only way to transfer Waves licenses from one USB stick to another is via the Waves Cloud.
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Old 01-16-2019, 06:31 PM   #13
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I'd be willing to bet, with enough geekdom, that either A) a USB stick can be reprogrammed at a low level using a programmer or B) you could make your own USB sticks all with the same serial. It's possible that B is the only option as the original may be a write once memory location but I still bet A or B is possible.

When my next IoT/build digital stuff cycle rolls around, I'm going to look into this in my lab since I already likely have the tools/equipment to test it.
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Old 01-17-2019, 10:00 AM   #14
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This "only 1 license" totally kills me... and because of that, I tend not to use my Waves plugins too much, fearing that I would not be able to use them on my laptop.

That would be ok if you could connect to the cloud, click to "remove license from computer #1"... but you can't!!! You have to do it from computer #1 first!
And what if computer #1 crashes?
And what if is it simply off? Teamviewer won't help you there...

This is too bad, I really enjoy using Waves on my main computer...

If I understand well, the only way would be to put the license back to the cloud each time I power off my main computer, maybe this can be automated - but what if your internet connection is broken?

Plugging/unplugging a usb key with licenses on them is not a good idea to me...

That is another case where I hate to see that pir8tes who did not pay for the software don't have all these problems.
This is a general thing I see: now that I only use paid software, it is a real PITA each time I want to use them elsewhere... When I was "testing before buying" things were so easy...!
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And what if computer #1 crashes?
Well, that is exactly what happened to me. HD failure on a PC with the Waves licenses in it. Luckily I have a valid WUP and Waves revalidated the licenses in my cloud account. Then I move it to a USB drive and I will never move it to a computer again.

Anyway, if I lost o damage my USB stick I am screwed as I don't have WUP and I am not going to pay for it just to recover a license I already pay for.
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AFAIK this is valin ONLY if you currently have a Waves Update Plan. If you have not renewed your WUP and lost the USB stick you are out of luck.
That is a strong claim. Please publish some reference.

I have not found any information on Waves site that WUP is required for recovery.

Even more, I have just moved one of my older license without WUP to USB stick. Disconnected the stick. And I COULD RECOVER it.
I connected the stick then and Waves has synchronized. And so accidentally recovers (forgot where the USB stick is and then found it) are not counted.
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That is a strong claim. Please publish some reference.

I have not found any information on Waves site that WUP is required for recovery.

Even more, I have just moved one of my older license without WUP to USB stick. Disconnected the stick. And I COULD RECOVER it.
I connected the stick then and Waves has synchronized. And so accidentally recovers (forgot where the USB stick is and then found it) are not counted.
I was also able to recover my licenses without needing a current WUP. Some of my plugins still had a current WUP, others did not. I was able to recover all of them.
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I think there might have been some confusion between the 1-year-wup-period and the fact that recovers are only allowed once a year.

The recover-function can also be used to have a license on two computers at the same time.

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This text has beend deleted because it contained instructions for license violation.

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The recover-function can also be used to have a license on two computers at the same time.
Which is direct license violation and together with "duplicated sticks" should not be discussed in this forum.
That is not far away from publishing torrent links or the information which sticks support low level tools for cloning (but not yet banned by Waves).
Sorry, but lets do not fall into warez...
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Which is direct license violation and together with "duplicated sticks" should not be discussed in this forum.
That is not far away from publishing torrent links or the information which sticks support low level tools for cloning (but not yet banned by Waves).
Sorry, but lets do not fall into warez...
You are right. I deleted the post to avoid problems for this forum.

The mentioned method is of course not allowed and I wouldn´t use these computers at the same time since that would be stealing.

But for people switching between computers regularly (e.g. desktop and laptop) I see it as legitimate defence against the hassle with license-transfer each time.

Wave's single activation politics are extremely restrictive, all my other plugins have from 2 to unlimited activations (as reaper) - under the condition that only I use them.

On another forum someone said that the waves support pointed him to the mentioned method. Of course I cannot prove this - but the fact that recoveries are possible to an unlimited amount and the one year recovery period is resetted each time after the usb stick is connected again, make it not look like waves tries hard to prevent it.

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You are right. This is of course not allowed and I wouldn´t use these computers at the same time since this would be stealing.

But for people switching between computers regularly (e.g. desktop and laptop) I see this as legitimate defence against the hassle with license-transfer each time.

Wave's single activation politics are extremely restrictive, all my other plugins have from 2 to unlimited activations (as reaper) - under the condition that only I use them.
Everyone can decide to use or not to use Waves. The conditions are explained strait and from what I know they are following them. Even in case of big troubles, there is still a big chance Waves support is helpful.

They are not iLok crimes, which invite you with "you do not need the dongle" without the warning you LOOSE the license in case anything in your computer breaks.

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On another forum someone said that the waves support pointed him to this possibility. Of course I cannot proof this - but the fact that recoveries are possible to an unlimited amount and the one year recovery period is resetted each time after the usb stick is connected again, make it not look like waves tries hard to prevent this.
Waves do not want threat you. There can be situation where you need the license but can not get it other way. F.e. you forgot the stick and have important work. I am sure that Waves has nothing against you temporary activate plug-ins in such case. But for permanent activation on 2 computers? I do not think they could suggest that.
To stay within agreements, that should be discussed with them directly on per case basis, explaining concrete reason and situation.

I had such problem with another company. They allow 2 activations but I had computers in 3 rooms, I just could not put all equipment to one place. I was ready to buy the second license, but support has pointed me to a trick how I can technically do that. And they wrote that for this product and my case it is fine. Sure, that does not mean that everyone is free to install 3 copies for any reason just because that was allowed in particular case, right?
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That is a strong claim. Please publish some reference.

I have not found any information on Waves site that WUP is required for recovery.

Even more, I have just moved one of my older license without WUP to USB stick. Disconnected the stick. And I COULD RECOVER it.
I connected the stick then and Waves has synchronized. And so accidentally recovers (forgot where the USB stick is and then found it) are not counted.
I am sorry, you are right. There is no need to a WUP for license recover. I though I read somewhere in Waves documentation that you must have a valid WUP in order to recover your license. Sorry for posting wrong information.
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