Old 03-19-2010, 11:37 AM   #121
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is that malstrom from reason you're talking about? haven't used that in years. i do miss it though!
yea from reason. i only have the demo these days.



is there a jupiter 8 emulation out there (free would be good).
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Old 03-19-2010, 11:45 AM   #122
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is there a jupiter 8 emulation out there (free would be good).
How about a free Jupiter 6 emu:



http://www.gtgsynths.com/plugins.htm

Grab the K1.3 while you are there (top of the page), it sounds fab as well
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Old 03-19-2010, 01:06 PM   #123
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How about a free Jupiter 6 emu:
I didn't know that was a Jupiter emulation. I used the JP 7A a lot a number of years ago (great for eighties Marillion synth sounds!), but I ended up ditching it because it was a bit CPU heavy. Shouldn't be a problem nowadays though, maybe time to check it out again.
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Old 03-19-2010, 05:49 PM   #124
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Blade, I had them both in my list but shelved them. The are both great (each in their own way) but I had to make some choices.

For me Asynth, although very nice sounding, doesn't really bring something new to the mix. Same with RGC's Triangle and Square... and several other VA synths that go around. The GTG-synths are fab as well but I shelved them for the same reason.

arppe2600va is fun as well but it didn't trigger me soundwise.


I'm actually looking to shelve some of the synths I selected and bring the list down even further.
i played around with arppe2600va today for the first time in ages and quickly rediscovered just how buggy it actually is. all sorts of cpu craziness when using the mod matrix and automating stuff .

i must admit, i have done the freeware thing before myself but i found there were a few glaring holes in my studio set up. i do have a love of all things analog and, for me, there isn't really any freeware that emulates old 70's synth's to the degree i would like. Asynth was the only exception to that but it is very thin on the ground feature wise which tended to halt my progression (i almost always ended up wanting more LFO's etc!)... actually the solina emulation in the elektrostudio pack is quite stunning also. to be honest i am always watching ebay for analogue bargains (i very much regret getting rid of my Yamaha CS5 last year but the rent needed to be paid...).

this thread has definitely renewed my interest in going all freeware again but i just can't live without a few things - olga has a beautiful character that i just can't get anywhere near with free stuff, psp nitro has a definite place (although i probably could replace it at a push) and i keep going back to fabfilter one as it the only softsynth that gets close to an MS10 filter (although i have yet to use in a track)... and eventually i will be buying imposcar (if i knew how to put the little love heart smilie in it would be here!!) or indeed imposcar 2 if it evers sees the light of day - probably the best software filter i have ever heard.

one thing this thread has done is switched me back on to oatmeal. i used it for a long time but deleted it in frustration before the reaper devs did their bit to get rid of the preset bug. i have been really diving into it again over the last few days and i swear i will never delete it again!! a very complex and beautiful sounding synth.

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Old 03-20-2010, 12:14 AM   #125
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i must admit, i have done the freeware thing before myself but i found there were a few glaring holes in my studio set up. i do have a love of all things analog and, for me, there isn't really any freeware that emulates old 70's synth's to the degree i would like.
Because I'm focussed on downsizing my setup I shelved a lot of stuff. I have VAZ2010 and that is about the most analog sounding softsynth ever made. I shelved it because I never really got around to using it. But in the realm of analog sounding softsynths there are a few that used to be payware but are free now:

Bojo Impulse: very fat/analog sounding - http://www.kvraudio.com/get/10.html

RGC Square I: really good sound tmo - http://www.kvraudio.com/get/130.html
Maybe look at Triangle II as well (monophonic): http://www.kvraudio.com/get/203.html

Some other synths that used to be payware but now free and worth looking at:

Big Tick Rainbow (I had a commercial license): http://www.kvraudio.com/get/6.html

JXsynth: some people can't do without it - http://www.kvraudio.com/get/30.html

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Old 03-20-2010, 02:43 AM   #126
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Checkout the freebies at http://www.bteaudio.com/

The TS' secret and juicy 77.

VERY nice stuff,- the TS' secrets sounds bloody incredible on some stuff,- very rich, very harmonic, very warm and smoooooth.

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Old 03-20-2010, 09:09 AM   #127
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The TAL Dub II low-frequency output bug has been fixed for some time now. I know because I reported it.
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Old 03-20-2010, 09:35 AM   #128
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for being so simple, asynth makes some cool sounds - it's one of my favorites so far.

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i've had kwop and jp7a here for a while, but i haven't spent much time with them yet. i probably need to be digging in more to the stuff that i already have.
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I have VAZ2010 and that is about the most analog sounding softsynth ever made.
i have a vaz plus 2 license and i totally agree. nothing comes close to the vaz synths for authentic analogue sounds especially if you are into the ARP sound (i think the dev based a lot of his work on the odyssey and 2600) as i very much am. i just prefer other synths to program for some reason plus it has a few known problems in vista at the moment so i haven't bothered with it for a while. i am getting increasingly dissatisfied with vsti's for analogue sounds though. will be buying some hardware as soon as i can afford to.

i remember checking out impulse a long time ago and jx. impulse had a bit of a hitch with the patch management if i remember rightly - it was built for cubase and subsequently didn't work very well in reap. will download them again and have a play.
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Another analog sounding suggestion: Hahaha CS33. Version 2 just came out a few days ago. Have been playing with it and I think it sounds very good. It also has a great UI, very easy to program. I'm thinking of dumping Superwave P8 for this one.

I have also put some time (again) into the now free Square I. I think it could replace Synth1 as it is very versatile and a real all-rounder, very light on CPU and very good sounding. And actually a bit more options then Synth1 on board. But I don't care much for it's UI so that might be the point of decision. Have to think about that one as well.
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Another analog sounding suggestion: Hahaha CS33. Version 2 just came out a few days ago. Have been playing with it and I think it sounds very good. It also has a great UI, very easy to program. I'm thinking of dumping Superwave P8 for this one.
woa, that one is sweet - sound and gui. i need to stay out of here. i'll never learn how to use all of these.
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i think this is a bug in cs33. when the gui isn't visible, the pitch bend doesn't work here. can anyone else verify this?
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i think this is a bug in cs33. when the gui isn't visible, the pitch bend doesn't work here. can anyone else verify this?
Tried it and you are right. But I also found a simple workaround: open the gui, right-click on the pitchbend-wheel, choose 'learn' and move your pitchbend-wheel on your controller. Now it keeps working when the gui is hidden. Settings are saved in the project and working after reload as well.
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Tried it and you are right. But I also found a simple workaround: open the gui, right-click on the pitchbend-wheel, choose 'learn' and move your pitchbend-wheel on your controller. Now it keeps working when the gui is hidden. Settings are saved in the project and working after reload as well.
cool, that works fine.
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cool, that works fine.
Version 2.01 is now available for download, specifically fixing this bug.
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Version 2.01 is now available for download, specifically fixing this bug.
awesome. that was fast.
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So I made a few small changes to my synth selection. Check the OP if you want to know

NEXT: I'm going to round up all the modulation stuff meaning phasers, flangers and chorus plugins. I have most of them that are out in the wild but I'm sure I missed some great free plugin that you think should be on the list. Oh, stuff like leslie emulations, tremolos, voice doublers (think Big Tick Hexaline) etc. are welcome too.

Gaters, steppers and manglers are going to be tested in a later run

So.... suggestions ?

Also, any specific sound-tests I should do to choose wisely... like putting a flanger on a snaredrum and some plugin completely excels at that.
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So.... suggestions ?
Melda Production, Betabugs MonstaChorus, Kjaerhus Classic have good free modulation fxs. Also MDA leslie is nice imo.

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my favourite free modulation effects are blue cat audio's package.

http://www.bluecataudio.com/Products..._FreewarePack/

what is very nice about them is that you can automate any parameter and there will be no pops, clicks, zipper noise etc. not the case with most other modulation effects i have tried.
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The simple, free multi effects plug I reach for the most is:
LUXONIX LFX-1310
http://www.luxonix.com/home/en/products.html?id=lfx1310
mostly because it is super quick and easy with very few settings.
The reverb in it stinks, but everything else is handy. It sounds "ok", not amazing or anything, just seems to always be the one I grab
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maybe a bit OT, but can anyone tell me why shortcircuit 1 is preferred over shortcircuit 2? i always see posts relating to SC1, but never SC2.

I have SC2 and love it, and i've never tried SC1.
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maybe a bit OT, but can anyone tell me why shortcircuit 1 is preferred over shortcircuit 2? i always see posts relating to SC1, but never SC2.

I have SC2 and love it, and i've never tried SC1.
SC2 was an unfinished piece of software and consequently has various bugs. i tried using it when i first heard about SC and it promptly crashed reaper a number of times so i switched to version 1.1.2 and have never had a crash since.
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maybe a bit OT, but can anyone tell me why shortcircuit 1 is preferred over shortcircuit 2? i always see posts relating to SC1, but never SC2.

I have SC2 and love it, and i've never tried SC1.
visit their site >>> it tells u that its still an Alpha, i think(?), and prone to some issues. Im still on v1 cos of what i read.
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I have collected a lot of free plugins over the last few years and because of that I made almost no real music.
haha i know what thats like, but i more had the inclination that if i payed for all my software i could be limited enough that i would be forced to work with what i had and get back to making music instead of messing with software and trying to get it to work properly. ive been doing that for a couple years now it seems like and have really started to miss writing songs!!! but i cant afford any of the plugins i would be inclined to use... not that that stops me... yea but sometimes infinite possibilities can be a bad thing.
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visit their site >>> it tells u that its still an Alpha, i think(?), and prone to some issues. Im still on v1 cos of what i read.

yeah, it was discontinued a while ago. I've not had any issue with it *so far* (watch it fail tonight!!), but now i feel like i've got a Sword of Damocles hanging over me! might give sc1 a go..
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Have it, like it also.... but most of that stuff has to go as well

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haha i know what thats like, but i more had the inclination that if i payed for all my software i could be limited enough that i would be forced to work with what i had and get back to making music
I am with you on that one. Bought my first plugins (Pro53 and PPG Wave) to replace my hardware synths at that time (DX7 and ESQ-1). When you pay for stuff you tend to put more effort in it. But then came all the free stuff, including several very nice commercial plugins I got for free from the devs for writing online reviews of their products.

So now it's simple: I have to cut back on the addiction
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several very nice commercial plugins I got for free from the devs for writing online reviews of their products.
i meant to ask you as well, how did you manage to get that opportunity. i would like nothing better!
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i meant to ask you as well, how did you manage to get that opportunity. i would like nothing better!
Back when the first VST-plugins appeared I started using Orion Platinum, a virtual studio. Still use it for some stuff. I launched the first big community website around that product, orion-central.com and started writing all kinds of articles for it. First reviewing freebees like Linplug's gackstor alpha it didn't take long before I got requests from devs to write reviews for their commercial plugs as well. After I had a nice amount of reviews on the site I just emailed other companies like NI and asked them if they liked a review on my website. And it went from there

Mind you that I am somewhat experienced when it comes to synths. Started playing my first synth around 1980, I did build that one myself. Also build a analog stepsequencer and a vocoder. Owned several monophonic synths, stringmachines and other keyboards back then. So I was 'involved' enough to write reviews that had some insight into the perceived qualities of the early synth-plugins.

Orion-central.com has been gone for years now so most of my commercial plugins are already oldies as well. Like vintage plugins

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AcquaVox is going to be free when it comes out. looks pretty cool. I'll test it tonight.
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hey thanks a lot to whoever recommended fuzzpilzs' oatmeal synth! i remember fuzzpilz from my jeskola buzz tracker days. this new synth really belies his/her(?) origins. such a nostalgic sounding synth but still far ahead of the sounds i was making in buzz. and a sexy gui to boot! its maybe even more exciting to me then when i first tried absynth. great work fuzzpilz!
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just focus on writing music, you can achieve a good sound with any of the freeware vsti's listed here. if you cannot, then dont take this the wrong way, but keep trying until you get it right.

have fun and dont give up, but most of all WRITE MUSIC.

its too easy to get lost in this 'poop' (<--euphamism)
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just focus on writing music, you can achieve a good sound with any of the freeware vsti's listed here. if you cannot, then dont take this the wrong way, but keep trying until you get it right.
It seems you are talking to me (because you didn't quote anyone particular) but it also seems you didn't read the OP or didn't get the meaning of it

I don't need a particular synth to be able to write music, I have been composing for the last 30 years or so. I need just a few (as opposed to 'many') plugin instruments to be able to produce my music. For the same 30 years I have been programming sounds on synths so it's obvious I like to have a few capable synths around.

I think I know where you are coming from (the 'guitar' discussion that's raging somewhere else on the forum) but I'm not looking to find that specific synth that is capable of making that specific sound from that specific artist or musical period
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all due respect.

i guess you are interested in being a music historian or re-enacter? i still have to say, keep writing music/making art. also, it doesnt seem necessary to have so many synths. one synth such as synth1 can keep a musician busy for the rest of their life. best to learn how to make one synth do a million things than collect a million synths that have one useful preset each. the bulk of synths can be tweaked in such a manner that they sound quite similar if not identical to one another. i will reserve FM synthesis as an exception to this, because they take a different type of approach to program, and the method/effect of synthesis seems fundamentally different to any other kind.

most synths i've looked at (and i've looked at almost all of them) are 90% a chain of effects. when picking a synth, the most important aspects to me seem to be the oscillators (especially lfo's and their routing options,) envelopes and portamento. host syncable effects usually suffice, and can be added after the synth for most applications.

there are a copious amount of synths and effects that are free, and certainly can be put together to equal anything you might 'hear on the radio.' this takes skill and confidence, but a burning desire to create can be argued to be prerequisite to skill.

not trying to /thread, a freeware sticky would be nice, but i wouldnt want to read through this whole topic in order to look at such a list. for me, the most interesting part about this thread was that prospect, but the information (links and sugg's)seems super redundant. further, im not sure if its vibey of me to say an opinion that sounds critical or if i am giving the nature of the topic what it wants, so i apologize if my thoughts come off prickish.

i am 'all for' a freeware vsti/vst sticky (categorically organized) if the o.p. or anybody should care to endeavor.

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i guess you are interested in being a music historian or re-enacter?
Wrong again

For your info, I never played covers. I started out 30 years ago composing my own music. And in those days patch-memories where just coming on to the scene and patchbanks where close to non-existent so I learned using synths by learning to program them my self (I am actually a trained FM/DX7 sound programmer). I still have binders full of patchsheets for the synths I used to have.

Question: why is it that I are so bent on putting me in some or another category? I don't ask here IF I should use a certain synth for a certain sound, am I. I'm not looking to get that 70's or 80's keyboard sound of a certain band or artist. The fact that I make a certain genre of music (progrock) makes that I have use for certain signature-sounds (like a mellotron for example) but that's it. My OP makes it very clear what my objective here is.

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also, it doesnt seem necessary to have so many synths. one synth such as synth1 can keep a musician busy for the rest of their life.
That is, at best, a very ill-informed statement. It's like saying that if you have an electric guitar you can do everything with it and you don't have any need for a nylon-string acoustic or a 12-string. There are many synths (both hardware and software) that have a very distinctive sound to it (the Ensoniq synths are a prime example, and remember the Fairlight?) and/or have very unique features. For example; Oatmeal and Synth1 are both in a completely different sonic realm. There are certain sounds that both can make like that basic strings, pads, bass stuff. But they both excel in different ways. They both can make sounds that the other simply can NOT make.

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i will reserve FM synthesis as an exception to this, because they take a different type of approach to program, and the method/effect of synthesis seems fundamentally different to any other kind.
Funny that you say this as FM-synthesis was originally developed to be able to do better IMITATIONS of acoustic sounds

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most synths i've looked at (and i've looked at almost all of them) are 90% a chain of effects. when picking a synth, the most important aspects to me seem to be the oscillators (especially lfo's and their routing options,) envelopes and portamento. host syncable effects usually suffice, and can be added after the synth for most applications.
Your ignorance in the matter shows here. What you sum up is exactly what hardly defines the possibilities of a synth. It can define a certain signature to the sound of a synt but no more then that. What sets synthesizers apart from each other is the availability and/or form of implementation of different oscillator waveforms, ring-modulation, hard-sync options, AM and FM modulation, modulation matrices, etc.

The main goal of my endeavour is to weed out all those 'similar' synths and instruments and end up with a few that are a complement to each other. Again this has been discussed here and can be read in the OP.

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the information (links and sugg's)seems super redundant.
Not from my point of view. My main (live) rig for many years consisted of an ESQ1, a DX7 and a Teisco 110F monosynth. They all could make brass, strings, pads, drones and leads but soundspectrum-wise they where very much each in their own realm.

If you think that one synth can do everything then you clearly have a lot to learn
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one synth such as synth1 can keep a musician busy for the rest of their life. best to learn how to make one synth do a million things than collect a million synths that have one useful preset each.
but only if the synth is capable of doing a million things. synth1 really isn't. it is very limited in what it can do - oatmeal, for example, presents a faaaaaaaar more powerful set of tools (i agree that oatmeal might well keep you busy for a lifetime ).

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the bulk of synths can be tweaked in such a manner that they sound quite similar if not identical to one another. i will reserve FM synthesis as an exception to this, because they take a different type of approach to program, and the method/effect of synthesis seems fundamentally different to any other kind.

most synths i've looked at (and i've looked at almost all of them) are 90% a chain of effects. when picking a synth, the most important aspects to me seem to be the oscillators (especially lfo's and their routing options,) envelopes and portamento. host syncable effects usually suffice, and can be added after the synth for most applications.

there are a copious amount of synths and effects that are free, and certainly can be put together to equal anything you might 'hear on the radio.' this takes skill and confidence, but a burning desire to create can be argued to be prerequisite to skill.

not trying to /thread, a freeware sticky would be nice, but i wouldnt want to read through this whole topic in order to look at such a list. for me, the most interesting part about this thread was that prospect, but the information (links and sugg's)seems super redundant. further, im not sure if its vibey of me to say an opinion that sounds critical or if i am giving the nature of the topic what it wants, so i apologize if my thoughts come off prickish.
your thoughts don't come off 'prickish' they just reflect a severe lack of knowledge/experience about the subject. all synths do not sound the same - they all have different characters/sounds. an ARP Odyssey sounds nothing like a Minimoog for example. although they are both fairly limited and basic subtractive synths they have different oscillators, filters and envelope characteristics that give them very distinctive characters.

you forgot one very important aspect of a synths sound - the filter. this is probably the single most important and defining factor of a synths sound.

most synths are not 90% a chain of effects. the most common effects found on synths are reverbs and delays. these kind of effects don't change the fundamental character of a sound. there are plenty of vsti's out there that don't have any built in effects.

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i am 'all for' a freeware vsti/vst sticky (categorically organized) if the o.p. or anybody should care to endeavor.
the whole point of this thread is to discuss/compare the instruments in question. conversely i don't think there would be any point in a categorically organised list as this can be found in many other places such as kvr or gersic.
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i left the filter out, because a filter isnt a synthesizer its an effect, and i have been able to use filters or eq's after a synth to get the effect i want. syncing is a challenge but it can be done with sidechaining or other tricks, which can be more fun than hoping a single vsti will do everything for me. especially with state of the art automation and host modulation capabilities. reaper, for example, has more capabilities for sound synthesis than any single synth i am aware of.

i tried to make it clear how things 'seem' to me, as well as offer plenty of disclaimer that what i said was my own opinion, and subjective opinions are a hard thing to get wrong. my opinion can be wrong to you, but hey its just like my opinion man. if i am that far out in left field wouldnt it be better to just ignore what i said as something that doesnt remotely apply?

no offense intended, and i wish everybody the best and that they find their pot o gold at the end of the rainbow.
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i left the filter out, because a filter isnt a synthesizer its an effect, and i have been able to use filters or eq's after a synth to get the effect i want. syncing is a challenge but it can be done with sidechaining or other tricks, which can be more fun than hoping a single vsti will do everything for me. especially with state of the art automation and host modulation capabilities. reaper, for example, has more capabilities for sound synthesis than any single synth i am aware of.
We are not trying to slap you or anything, but before you start preaching it could be useful to check out the choir first Between Bladerunner, some other participants here in this topic and myself there is probably more then a hundred years of experience in programming and using synthesizers

Oh, and did I mention that I build my first synthesizer myself... and my first analog vocoder, and a stepsequencer, and, and......(I'm talking hardware here, not software)

Again, in the quoted part above, you make statements that are simply not correct. If it is just 'your view' then that view is not correct. The filter in a synthesizer isn't an effect, it's an integral part of the sound-engine. There is a big difference between the filter in a synth and a filter-effect simply because they operate in a different domain. For example: I can create a moog-type lead with many synthesizers but if you slap a filter-effect onto a hammond you wil never get that sound. Simply because a synth-filter has a different interaction with the notes played. Also, even the place of the filter in the signal-chain of a synth is making a big difference in how it (can) sound.
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I am by no stretch of the imagination a synth programmer. I have played music for over forty years, mostly drums, but also guitar, bass and keyboards. In all that time I've never been in a band or musical situation with a synthesist. After having Protools and a Digi002 for the past five years, I decided for multiple reasons to change over to Reaper and as compact and efficient a VSTi situation as I could.

This thread has helped me in so many ways to realize the kind of sound palette(s) that I am interested in and get inspired by. Just exploring the premade patches and banks available for Oatmeal (mainly) and some of the other freeware as well as what a little tweaking can lead to has been hours and hours of fun. I've only touched the thin surface of what is possible and wanted to tell you all thanks.
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i left the filter out, because a filter isnt a synthesizer its an effect, and i have been able to use filters or eq's after a synth to get the effect i want. syncing is a challenge but it can be done with sidechaining or other tricks, which can be more fun than hoping a single vsti will do everything for me. especially with state of the art automation and host modulation capabilities. reaper, for example, has more capabilities for sound synthesis than any single synth i am aware of.

i tried to make it clear how things 'seem' to me, as well as offer plenty of disclaimer that what i said was my own opinion, and subjective opinions are a hard thing to get wrong. my opinion can be wrong to you, but hey its just like my opinion man.
opinion is fine but you do have a major fact wrong. filters (as stated by technogremlin earlier) are an integral part of a synthesiser. filters allow you to shape and change the timbre of an oscillator by filtering out and/or accentuating certain harmonics/partials/frequencies (whatever you want to refer to them as). and, again as technogremlin mentioned earlier, it can make a lot of difference where they are placed in the signal chain (which is part of what makes modular synths so powerful as you can place a filter anywhere you like). this really is a major part of what synthesis is. it isn't simply an effect (although i guess you could refer to it as an 'effect' if you want to start splitting hairs over definitions).

i hear you when you talk about how powerful automation is. i use it a lot myself. the only drawback is that you can only trigger it when you hit the play button in your DAW whereas with synth parameters you can hear the effect each time you press a key on your keyboard (if you see what i mean).

have you seen this synth?

http://www.progressaudio.co.uk/

it has a very automation-like synthesis method. interesting stuff.

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if i am that far out in left field wouldnt it be better to just ignore what i said as something that doesnt remotely apply
i definitely wouldn't ignore you - just try to point you in the right direction a little. i would encourage you to keep tweaking and learn a little more about synthesis
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