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Old 05-18-2019, 11:30 PM   #201
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Turns out my problem was having an instance of ReaLearn in the same FX chain as FaderBox which was interfering for some reason. I've moved ReaLearn to the Input FX chain instead (on same track) and now it works.

One remaining issue is the apparent incompatibility with SliderMate 16. When I have the Smart Control running, if I try to insert an instance of slidermate it consistently crashes with this error:

"...ppData\Roaming\REAPER\Scripts\LBX\LBX_SRD_ Smar tKnobs.lua:861: bad argument #1 to 'match' (string expected, got nil)"

For now I'm back to using ReaControlMIDI since it doesn't crash in this circumstance. In any case, huge thank you for your help and this amazing tool!
I'll take a look into the error - see if I can spot what's up.
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Old 05-20-2019, 07:46 AM   #202
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Ok I've written to Novations customer support and they've said, that the keyboard currently doesn't support displaying incoming cc data on the screen, which is a bit of a bummer really. But apparently they've forwarded the request to the developer team, so I'm crossing my fingers that they implement it.

EDIT: And as I've asked a bit more specifically, I've come to know, that it doesn't receive cc messages at all. I can receive HUI data, but no cc data. This was kinda the main point in buying this keyboard.. well, at least I know now.

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Old 05-20-2019, 08:37 AM   #203
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I will probably invest in a Midi Twister Fighter, since these keyboards seem unreliable. Is there any other good alternative to the midi twister fighter on the market, or is this the way to go?
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Old 05-21-2019, 03:00 PM   #204
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I am considering getting one too! I would be interested to hear from someone who has one, from my research.
They seem to have rave reviews everywhere, and from the looks of it, spend a lot of time making sure they are using good quality components.

From my personal experience I have purchased SOO many midi controllers from different companies over the years. M-audio, Arturia, Novation, Behringer.

I have the original novation launchpad, still works great....
EVERYTHING from all the other companies has either broken or just has terrible drivers (I have an older Arturia mini lab and it technically still works but the drivers are awful and it has the worst encoders I have ever touched), 2 m-audio keyboards have broken on me. Behringer BCR2000 broke.

ANYWAY
this is a bit of a rant, but I wish I could go back and spend the extra money on the midi fighter twister, because It seems it would probably still be working.
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Old 05-26-2019, 10:24 AM   #205
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Wow, just got to set this up with a Midi fighter twister, after some fiddling it seems to work quite well!

Now, is it possible to edit the script so that it looks for one instance of a plugin ONLY, and that it does this without me having to open the plugin gui?

Best and great work
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Old 05-26-2019, 11:55 AM   #206
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Hey lb0!
did you ever end up having time to look at that chunk data stuff?

I ended up going back to the older version of the script because the shell plugins not working was more of an issue for me than the slow down from envelopes (which can totally be avoided by just only showing envelopes you need to see)

Just was curious about that, Is the version that doesn't work with Shell plugins what is in the Github right now?
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Old 06-13-2019, 07:29 AM   #207
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I'm getting a Midi Fighter Twister just to try this configuration out, as it is (almost) exactly what I have been looking for for ages!

First of all huge thanks for developing that. I'm really excited to try this out.

Now I'd like to ask, is it possible to either:
1) Allow some faders to be dedicated to a single plugin, irregardless of focus state of said plugin (like regular midi binding)
2) (Even better) Split the faders into groups, corresponding to sets of plugins. Example: Some faders only bind to the focused plugin (or last focused plugin!) out of plugins A,B,C and the remaining faders only bind to the focused plugin (or last focused plugin!) out of plugins D,E,F
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Old 06-17-2019, 09:30 AM   #208
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I will probably invest in a Midi Twister Fighter, since these keyboards seem unreliable. Is there any other good alternative to the midi twister fighter on the market, or is this the way to go?
I think the Nocturn midi controllers work quite well and are thrown at you on the used marked. Just don't use the automap plugin!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSshCF4O4PQ&t=373s

That said the MFT is awesome and I also was reluctant to buy it, because of the price difference between other midi controllers, but it is a 100% worth it!
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Old 06-17-2019, 09:34 AM   #209
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I'm getting a Midi Fighter Twister just to try this configuration out, as it is (almost) exactly what I have been looking for for ages!

First of all huge thanks for developing that. I'm really excited to try this out.

Now I'd like to ask, is it possible to either:
1) Allow some faders to be dedicated to a single plugin, irregardless of focus state of said plugin (like regular midi binding)
2) (Even better) Split the faders into groups, corresponding to sets of plugins. Example: Some faders only bind to the focused plugin (or last focused plugin!) out of plugins A,B,C and the remaining faders only bind to the focused plugin (or last focused plugin!) out of plugins D,E,F
Use realearn to map you faders to fader box. If you want to dedicate some faders to something else you simply do that through realearn instead of mapping them to faderbox.
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Old 06-17-2019, 09:45 AM   #210
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Use realearn to map you faders to fader box. If you want to dedicate some faders to something else you simply do that through realearn instead of mapping them to faderbox.
Aha - thanks Tiggerdyret.

I was going to answer to Pilau that it was really beyond the current design of SK to map to more than a single plugin at once. Good to know by combining with Realearn that this can be achieved.
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Old 06-18-2019, 01:48 AM   #211
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Aha - thanks Tiggerdyret.

I was going to answer to Pilau that it was really beyond the current design of SK to map to more than a single plugin at once. Good to know by combining with Realearn that this can be achieved.
Wouldn't this be possible without Realearn? You just map some of the knobs to Faderbox and then map the rest through Reaper actions. Realearn has some advanced feature like midi feedback and many other cool actions and options, which makes it the better choice, but am I missing something in how Faderbox works?
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Old 06-18-2019, 01:52 AM   #212
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Wouldn't this be possible without Realearn? You just map some of the knobs to Faderbox and then map the rest through Reaper actions. Realearn has some advanced feature like midi feedback and many other cool actions and options, which makes it the better choice, but am I missing something in how Faderbox works?
Yes - of course you can assign some controls to faderbox and the others to whatever - but my thinking was doing that natively in Reaper - you wouldn't get feedback - so Realearn (as you suggested) is probably the best way to go.
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Old 06-18-2019, 03:10 AM   #213
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Yes - of course you can assign some controls to faderbox and the others to whatever - but my thinking was doing that natively in Reaper - you wouldn't get feedback - so Realearn (as you suggested) is probably the best way to go.
Yes, I also think Realearn would make him able to setup Faderbox for the whatever FX is in focus and for instance have Realearn control ReaEQ and/or ReaComp for the selected track and control all three FXs at the same time... I might have to do this myself actually :P
Another way to do something similar would be to use your stripper plugin.
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Old 06-18-2019, 12:04 PM   #214
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Question to anyone here:

Perhaps interested in new controller small format -
However it seems what I want isn't available although it's pretty simple:

1:
Some smaller endless rotaries with feedback leds. ( The cheapest behringer touch does that )
& A Few buttons not too many.

2:
At least One large rotary /jog ideally with lights tho that not necessary.

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Atm I use a cheap dj controller with the large wheels set (using realearn) as fine last touched twiddlers and fine item mover. Which is great.

Be great to also have some led endless knobs plus a large endless one. Using this smartknobs tool also I think could be sweet.

Can't find one tho.

In case I've missed it anyone know of anything that fits the bill and reasonable?
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Old 06-18-2019, 12:39 PM   #215
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Question to anyone here:

Perhaps interested in new controller small format -
However it seems what I want isn't available although it's pretty simple:

1:
Some smaller endless rotaries with feedback leds. ( The cheapest behringer touch does that )
& A Few buttons not too many.

2:
At least One large rotary /jog ideally with lights tho that not necessary.

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Atm I use a cheap dj controller with the large wheels set (using realearn) as fine last touched twiddlers and fine item mover. Which is great.

Be great to also have some led endless knobs plus a large endless one. Using this smartknobs tool also I think could be sweet.

Can't find one tho.

In case I've missed it anyone know of anything that fits the bill and reasonable?
Endless encoders with feedback are a pretty rare breed, so there really isn't much to choose from. I don't think Behringers has any cheap controllers with feedback unless it's come out in the last year.
You can try an find a used Novation Nocturne (just set it up as a midi controller instead of using Automap, which can break your projects) for pretty cheap, but the smallest is probably MF Twister, which is expensive, but totally worth it.
If you had more space you could look at the Behringer BFR2000, but that is probably too big.
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Old 06-18-2019, 12:45 PM   #216
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Yeh I got the bcf/r t-shirt - those days are done! (my sig is a clue)

It seems you can have jogs and buttons, buttons and twiddlies, buttons, a twiddly and faders etc. but not jogs and twiddlies..

Edit: atm the x touch one is pretty close with a jog, the single led rotary ( with display.) and the fader.. prob don't need all the buttons ,but also it's a pricey upgrade from my Aldi dumb dj controller which isn't Shabby

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Old 06-19-2019, 05:12 PM   #217
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Hi all,

I've been trying to get my MIDI Fighter Twister to show MIDI Feedback and it doesn't seem to be working. I've tried both via the Faderbox feedback option as well as ReaLearn's feedback option.

I've followed the REAPER Blog video exactly (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0LBdXXcg7g), and feedback isn't working for some reason. I see that ReaLearn has a "Midi control input" and "MIDI Feedback Output option now. Which doesn't seem to appear in the original REAPER video.

Any help would be great!

Thanks!
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Old 06-19-2019, 05:59 PM   #218
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Hi all,

I've been trying to get my MIDI Fighter Twister to show MIDI Feedback and it doesn't seem to be working. I've tried both via the Faderbox feedback option as well as ReaLearn's feedback option.

I've followed the REAPER Blog video exactly (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0LBdXXcg7g), and feedback isn't working for some reason. I see that ReaLearn has a "Midi control input" and "MIDI Feedback Output option now. Which doesn't seem to appear in the original REAPER video.

Any help would be great!

Thanks!
Hey there!

I'm the dude in the video!

Let's get this working for you!

I'll quit with the exclamation points now!

My first guess is:

is the midi fighter twister output enabled in the reaper midi preferences? (let's forget the smart knob feedback for now and try to get Realearn's feedback to work)

and yeah there was a realearn update, select the mf twister for both input and output.

check and make sure the output is enabled and we will go from there.
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Hey there!

I'm the dude in the video!

Let's get this working for you!

I'll quit with the exclamation points now!

My first guess is:

is the midi fighter twister output enabled in the reaper midi preferences? (let's forget the smart knob feedback for now and try to get Realearn's feedback to work)

and yeah there was a realearn update, select the mf twister for both input and output.

check and make sure the output is enabled and we will go from there.
Hey there Charlie!

I've enabled output and input in the MIDI Devices menu in REAPER.

Does it matter if the ID's are different? I've made them the same for input and output.

How will I know that feedback is working for the MF Twister with ReaLearn?

Should I connect it to the FaderBox plugin or leave that for now?

Also, I've made ReaLearn an insert FX plugin for now, or should I go for the faderbox + ReaLearn as an input FX for testing?

Thanks again!

EDIT: added a video showing ReaLearn (input fx) connected to faderbox (insert FX) for feedback test: https://youtu.be/1JHVHvRNTxk

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Old 06-19-2019, 06:55 PM   #220
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Hey there Charlie!

Does it matter if the ID's are different? I've made them the same for input and output.

How will I know that feedback is working for the MF Twister with ReaLearn?

Should I connect it to the FaderBox plugin or leave that for now?
My id's are different so it's safe to say no, that doesn't matter.

You have to connect realearn to the faderbox plugin. That's actually the magic part So inside realearn, you need 16 mappings. One for each knob mapping to one fader in faderbox.

16 is just for one bank on the mf twister, obviously.

Feel free to PM me and exchange info. I rarely get notifications from the forum anymore, even though it's set to do so.
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My id's are different so it's safe to say no, that doesn't matter.

You have to connect realearn to the faderbox plugin. That's actually the magic part So inside realearn, you need 16 mappings. One for each knob mapping to one fader in faderbox.

16 is just for one bank on the mf twister, obviously.

Feel free to PM me and exchange info. I rarely get notifications from the forum anymore, even though it's set to do so.
Ok cool! Sent you a PM .
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It seems you can have jogs and buttons, buttons and twiddlies, buttons, a twiddly and faders etc. but not jogs and twiddlies..
So & Weaving back on topic:

I discovered the behringer cmd pl-1 - 2013 era.. never seen it before.

Is a DJ platter module with one big smooth jog, AND 8 led endless twiddlies! And 4 banks by default.
Only downside is a little large.

Best bit is it was v cheap so don't mind some set up...

Am Using smartknobs (looking good so far) and realearn I am getting feedback going, although it's no plug and play 2019 style!

Man.. flashback to nights tinkering with bcf2000's :

needed bizarre combos of cycle actions, 2 realearn mappings with odd settings and formulas to just get things lighting up in a useful manner..

Got there tho, I think smartknobs is straightforward and functional enough which shows it's success.

Little video of me celebrating a play light lighting up in play and going out on stop.. and smartknobs doing it's thing on a plug.. Sad but true..

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