Old 01-20-2019, 10:09 AM   #1
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Default Reaper, Bitwig, Renoise - Electronic Music

Hi,

someone offered me Bitwig for a very good price. As I have a Reaper licence and a Renoise licence already I wonder if it's worth to buy a third licence and to invest again a lot of time in learning Bitwig.

I'm mainly making songs in the box with 95% VSTs on Linux, the rest is guitar recording.

I played with Bitwig the last days and yes, it's nice. I like the clip feature (something which is not possibible with Reaper in Linux) and the modulators are nice to have too.

However as Reaper is quite powerful under the hood, I think most (if not more) can be achieved with Reaper. And Reaper has the better mixer and routing possibilities ... no question.

Are here any people which moved from Bitwig to Reaper (or the other way around?) and which make "electronic music" in the widest sense?

Either I move to Bitwig or I stay with Reaper / Renoise to have / combine the best of both worlds. In Linux Renoise and Reaper can also be synced via Jack (Renoise as Master and Reaper as slave) to e.g. record longer guitar tracks and to load these into the Renoise sampler afterwards.
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Old 01-20-2019, 11:14 AM   #2
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I don't know renoise but I played two times with Bitwig. Its not that bad but in my case it was to hungry.
If you really have the chance to get it for a very good price I would consider buying it because of its cool instruments and effects. You could use it as a slave next to Reaper. And I'm pretty sure there is a lot of gratis stuff like samples etc. to download.

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Old 01-20-2019, 12:01 PM   #3
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Price is 125 € and it was bought in December.
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Old 01-20-2019, 12:26 PM   #4
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Okay, that's still a bit. I think you should think about what it adds to your possibilities. Do you already have enough instruments and samples? Then its probably not worth to get a new distraction which keeps you away from working in Reaper. But it also could be a creative boost to play with a new toy.

I don't know.
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Old 01-20-2019, 12:35 PM   #5
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I have enough instruments and I think spending that money in Zebra for instance makes more sense. I just bought Hive from U-he, I have Zynfusion, all the free U-he stuff and it's also possible to build instruments in Renoise. I don't use much samples, except of drums. The price pretty low, but I fear that I get lost in too many options
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Old 01-20-2019, 01:32 PM   #6
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Coming from FL and Cubase after 15 years of making electronic music i found out that Reaper is very useful for my needs.I love the automation items,the non destructive editing especially for realtime pitchshift of the audio,the customization,low cpu usage as well the amazing scripts from many talented coders.
All the above are not included in Bitwig as some things from Bitwig are not included in Reaper but in the end it's up to your taste-needs.In FL and Reason you can find something similar to automation items(which for me are very useful for making electronic music),but i prefer more how they're made in Reaper.
All these doesn't give me a reason to go back and i've tested most of the popular daws out there before i make my choice.
Still i miss some things like faster automation of the parameters,the ability to show and hide each envelope parameter seperately on the track(like Cubase) and a better native sampler with granular functions(where i could also use another vst for that).
I think reaper has more useful things to offer than other daws for the above reasons and more,but if you feel the need to try something else give it a try.

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Old 01-20-2019, 04:11 PM   #7
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I think the main thing is how much time you've invested in learning Reaper, and is it worth starting over again with a new program? I'm going to use Reaper forever because the switch from LMMS was so painful. I think Reaper should be powerful enough to do anything you would need plus the name is so much cooler. "Bitwig" sounds like a minor Dickens character.
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Reaper is great, I just miss something like the clips from Bitwig. AFIK Bitwig does not have the possibility to save snapshots of different versions. Also strange: Quantizing while record is enabled cannot be undone.

I think I'll stay with Reaper and Renoise and keep an eye on Bitwig from time to time. It's also only officially supported for Ubuntu. As I have Debian it's another disadvantage.

Does FL have Clip features or is it as linear as Reaper?
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Old 01-21-2019, 03:37 PM   #9
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In Reaper there is the playtime plugin which is kinda similar to the clips session of Ableton-Bitwig but i think is only for win and mac.
FL doesn't have clips but the pattern view where you can experiment and draw patterns or just add sounds and then add the pattern to the main arrange view.
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In Reaper there is the playtime plugin which is kinda similar to the clips session of Ableton-Bitwig but i think is only for win and mac.
FL doesn't have clips but the pattern view where you can experiment and draw patterns or just add sounds and then add the pattern to the main arrange view.
I think you have overseen something:


It was actually really fun to play with it. You can just use your audio clips or patterns and start them in several modes (one time, looped etc) from a MIDI controller. And I wish Reaper would have something like this natively.

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Old 01-22-2019, 03:30 AM   #11
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Hi Eli that's cool indeed i wasn't aware of this.Since FL was my first daw and then switched to Cubase for many years i use FL as vst only and not for music making because i like some tools it has.
Something similar in Reaper could be done with Super8 looper,where you can record the audio inside the slots and trigger them with midi.
I think the difference with Bitwig and Ableton between performance mode in FL is that they can play the clips individually while the main song is playing,so is nice to experiment to what fits better on the main arrange.(correct me if i'm wrong)
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I stay with Reaper and didn't buy Bitwig.
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