Old 01-16-2021, 07:43 PM   #1
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Default Edit cursor or play cursor... which one wins?

During playback, the "Zoom in horizontal" command (which is bound to the up arrow and the plus sign, among others) sometimes zooms in on the edit cursor, and sometimes zooms in on the play cursor. The description of the command doesn't specify which one is intended.

I can't figure out which behaviour to expect. It seems to be nondeterministic.

Can you please help me to know which one happens under which circumstances? The uncertainty of what this command will do often throws me out of my state of flow, which costs me both time and concentration.

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Old 01-16-2021, 07:57 PM   #2
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Are you sure it isn't zooming to the location of the mouse cursor?
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Old 01-16-2021, 08:08 PM   #3
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Are you sure it isn't zooming to the location of the mouse cursor?
Yes. Wait, are you saying this doesn't happen for everybody?
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Old 01-16-2021, 08:15 PM   #4
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I had assumed that this behaviour was standard for every user, but in case I'm in a small minority experiencing it, here are some details:

I'm running Reaper 6.19, though I've noticed this behaviour for years. I previously posted about this same issue at https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=223522 and got no traction there, which is why I'm re-wording and re-posting the question.

I'm on Windows 10. I've got the SWS extensions installed.

I've described the behaviour in terms of zooming in, but it also happens with many other commands whose descriptions are vague as to whether they apply to the play cursor or the edit cursor, such as "M" (Insert marker at current position), as described in the above-mentioned thread. In fact there are lots of commands whose description says "at current position" or "at play position or edit cursor", and I imagine that this issue applies to all of them.

I'm assuming that I'm just ignorant as to how to know whether to expect a command to apply at the play or at the edit position in any given instance, and I really would just love someone who understands what's going on to explain it to me!
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Old 01-16-2021, 08:46 PM   #5
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Okay, how about if I phrase this question as a poll: anyone reading this, when you zoom in during playback (using the "+" or up-arrow), do you find that it zooms on the play cursor or the edit cursor?
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Old 01-16-2021, 09:03 PM   #6
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Dunno about all that other stuff, but for zoom there is this:

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Ooh, interesting. Well, mine is set to "Edit cursor or play cursor (default)", which is very confusing... which is it, Reaper? The edit cursor or the play cursor?

I'd love to be able to set it to be the play cursor if playing, and the edit cursor if not, but that isn't one of the choices. Hmm. The plot thickens...
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Old 01-16-2021, 09:19 PM   #8
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I'd love to be able to set it to be the play cursor if playing, and the edit cursor if not, but that isn't one of the choices. Hmm. The plot thickens...
Intuitively, that's how I would expect it to work...but I prefer to zoom to the mouse cursor, so I never really used it on the default setting. Maybe someone else with more insight can chime in.
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Old 01-16-2021, 09:27 PM   #9
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Intuitively, that's how I would expect it to work...but I prefer to zoom to the mouse cursor, so I never really used it on the default setting. Maybe someone else with more insight can chime in.
My best guess is that that's how it is meant to work, and it's broken.
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Old 01-16-2021, 11:12 PM   #10
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The setting "Edit cursor or play cursor (default)" can indeed be confusing but this is how it works:

Transport = Stop:
Edit Cursor and Play Cursor are on the same position.
The Action "Zoom Horizontal" will zoom in/out on that position.

Transport = Play
The Action "Zoom Horizontal" will zoom in/out on the moving Play Cursor.
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Old 01-16-2021, 11:44 PM   #11
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The setting "Edit cursor or play cursor (default)" can indeed be confusing but this is how it works:

Transport = Stop:
Edit Cursor and Play Cursor are on the same position.
The Action "Zoom Horizontal" will zoom in/out on that position.

Transport = Play
The Action "Zoom Horizontal" will zoom in/out on the moving Play Cursor.
What you've just described would be exactly how I'd like it to work, and would not be confusing to me at all.

However, unfortunately, when the transport is in the Play state, sometimes it still zooms on the edit cursor, and sometimes on the play cursor. That right there is the pith of my difficulty.
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Old 01-17-2021, 12:00 AM   #12
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Incidentally, vanhaze, while I've got you, what do you think the correct behaviour of "Insert marker at current position" while the transport is in Play should be?

I think it's most useful if it drops a marker at the current play position, which is sometimes what happens. Sometimes it puts the marker at the edit position instead, which is never what I want.

I suspect this is the same bug?
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Old 01-17-2021, 12:18 AM   #13
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1) TBH: I use another workflow for zoom in/out horizontally.
- In Reaper Prefs: "Horizontal zoom center > Mouse cursor"
- The Action "View: Zoom horizontally (MIDI CC relative/mousewheel)"
assigned to my mouse scrollwheel

This way, i just point my mouse at a certain position and then move my mouse scrollwheel to zoom in/out at exactly that position.
Small effort to point mouse to Edit Cursor or Play Cursor and then use mouse scrollwheel to zoom in/out at that position.

Maybe this workflow can be a remedy for you.

2) I don't experience your issue regarding "insert marker at current position"
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Old 01-17-2021, 12:32 AM   #14
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1) Ooh, thank you. That does sound more efficient than what I've been doing, and the fact that it sidesteps what may be a Reaper bug is a bonus

2) I wish I could figure out how to replicate this bug! My suspicion is that all actions that operate "at current position" may be subject to the same issue during playback, but until I can figure out how to reliably reproduce it I don't even know what I would report.

Thanks for your help!
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Old 01-17-2021, 01:52 AM   #15
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Glad to be of help !

I hope your issue 2) will be sorted out.
Maybe post the issue in the Bug reports section, with mentioning of used Reaper version and Operating System:
https://forum.cockos.com/forumdisplay.php?f=22

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Old 01-17-2021, 02:00 AM   #16
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Use " or ' to give focus to either the edit or play cursors. You can put it together in a custom action before Zoom in horizontal/Insert marker/etc.


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Old 01-17-2021, 03:32 AM   #17
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I've had it happen with the Insert markers thing, now that I think about it. I avoided it by simply stopping playback so that there could be no mistake where the marker was about to go.

With playback underway, it was a crapshoot.
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Old 02-20-2021, 11:38 PM   #18
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Same issue with the horizontal zoom. Half the time it zooms in on the edit cursor while playing, which drives me batty, and sometimes it zooms in on the play cursor, which is what I want.

It used to follow the play cursor whenever it was playing. Now not so much.
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Okay, how about if I phrase this question as a poll: anyone reading this, when you zoom in during playback (using the "+" or up-arrow), do you find that it zooms on the play cursor or the edit cursor?
I'm using the default horizontal zoom center of edit cursor or play cursor and it works fine. I don't recall having problems with that behavior. Also, no problems inserting markers at play cursor when dropping them during playback, they will always go to current play cursor position.
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It's getting worse. now even while recording the view doesn't move from the edit cursor. Total pita because while tracking I often follow the screen for cues. Like when a chorus marker comes along during recording I know to go to the chorus.

This didn't used to happen and I don't know what started it. I have it on default edit or play cursor.

I also haven't been able to update windows 10 for ages because of my HP proprietary wtf computer. So maybe thats the issue?

Any ideas?
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It's getting worse. now even while recording the view doesn't move from the edit cursor. Total pita because while tracking I often follow the screen for cues. Like when a chorus marker comes along during recording I know to go to the chorus.

This didn't used to happen and I don't know what started it. I have it on default edit or play cursor.

I also haven't been able to update windows 10 for ages because of my HP proprietary wtf computer. So maybe thats the issue?

Any ideas?
Wellll it was under options "automatically scroll view during playback" wasn't ticked.
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