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Old 06-26-2016, 04:04 AM   #1
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Default FR:Use current parameter value in Parameter modulation window by default

When I use parameter modulation, the value moves to the center, so I need to move the slider to get current value. Could we have tick field with saving the current parameter value by default? It will be super useful for those who use it often.

For example, I have a slider with a 0.20 value. I touch it with Alt-button, then go to Param->Parameter modulation. I want to see the same value(0.20) at baseline.

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Old 06-26-2016, 11:34 AM   #2
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I'll second that. It really makes more sense as a default than what happens now.

Would be even cooler if that slider could tell us the actual value of the parameter it adjusts, and/or if we could put it in some kind of learn mode where adjusting the plugin parameter adjusts the slider in PM.
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Old 06-26-2016, 11:56 AM   #3
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Would be even cooler if that slider could tell us the actual value of the parameter it adjusts, and/or if we could put it in some kind of learn mode where adjusting the plugin parameter adjusts the slider in PM.
Yep. It would be awesome too! +1
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Old 06-28-2016, 04:57 AM   #4
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It could look in this way:


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Old 07-03-2016, 04:06 AM   #5
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Old 07-03-2016, 05:30 AM   #6
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You can activate fx parameter envelope, envelope will override baseline value.
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Old 07-03-2016, 06:01 AM   #7
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^ can you elaborate? I think that's quite different from what OP is asking for.

Btw totally agree I was just thinking this the other day. If nothing else, when you start applying parameter modulation even if it doesn't continue to follow the value of the knob (Since I don't think it can... parameter modulation affects the knob so you cannot move it while its doing that because its a feedback loop) but it should at least start out in the same position. Doesn't make sense for it to move and change the sound (not to mention this is possibly dangerous as it could produce loud noises - a big NO in any audio application).
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Old 07-03-2016, 06:56 AM   #8
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Btw totally agree I was just thinking this the other day.
What is your verdict? Well, I mean that when you enable Parameter modulation, it should start from the current parameter value, not the center. It would be better to have tick or something else to enable it and use current value. It makes sense for me.
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Old 07-03-2016, 07:12 AM   #9
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An issue I always have had with most hardware with bcd encoders on it.
Bloody things have to be told here they are by whatever they are supposed to be controlling.
My old A&H auto desk was sort of nice in that it automatically caught the existing value as you reached it, up or down, but that was in the 1990s - surely there must be a way to do this right twenty years on?
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Old 07-03-2016, 07:25 AM   #10
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An issue I always have had with most hardware with bcd encoders on it...
So would you like to see this feature in Reaper?
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Old 07-03-2016, 08:56 AM   #11
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1.Activate fx parameter envelope.
2.Enable fx parameter modulation.

Current value will be used as baseline.
Example: https://goo.gl/Gy214N
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Old 07-03-2016, 10:46 AM   #12
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It's not what I'm writing about. For example, I have a slider with a 0.20 value. I touch it with Alt-button, then go to Param->Parameter modulation. I want to see the same value(0.20) at baseline. Is it clear for you?
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Old 07-09-2016, 06:45 AM   #13
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Old 07-09-2016, 07:03 AM   #14
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So would you like to see this feature in Reaper?

Sorry - I assumed you would realise that from what I said.
YES.
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Old 07-09-2016, 07:09 AM   #15
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Sorry - I assumed you would realise that from what I said.
Well, I've understood, although it's better to see Your "yes" in a formal way.
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Old 07-09-2016, 07:12 AM   #16
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To summarize, people need it, but they don't understand what I've been writing about. Who could help me and translate it into "good" English?
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Old 07-09-2016, 08:42 AM   #17
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The solution to this I guess is to temporarily disable the parameter modulation while the user moves the knob, and this knob movement rewrites the value of the Baseline slider. When the user releases the knob, parameter modulation returns.
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Old 07-09-2016, 09:01 AM   #18
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...When the user releases the knob, parameter modulation returns.
It doesn't work for me.

Ok, I should specify what I want. We have a slider, for example, with a 0.20 value. When I enable Audio modulation or any other kind of modulation, the Baseline has 0.5 value. What about adding a tick(or something similar) to copy/use the current value, so the baseline value will be 0.2 with a tick or 0.5 without it(like on the screenshots).
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Old 07-13-2016, 01:57 AM   #19
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Old 07-13-2016, 08:22 AM   #20
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It doesn't work for me.
Pretty sure Fergler was describing a possible change that would get us what we want, not a way to do it now.
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Old 07-13-2016, 08:30 AM   #21
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Pretty sure Fergler was describing a possible change that would get us what we want, not a way to do it now.
Ok, sorry. It wasn't clear enough for me. Now I understand what did he mean. Well, it should be the second way to implement it.
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Old 11-21-2016, 04:51 AM   #22
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Old 11-21-2016, 10:18 AM   #23
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I just the other day was looking through the guide and found the thing that Embass was talking about, which is actually pretty close - even better really in a lot of ways.
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Old 11-21-2016, 11:07 AM   #24
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I just the other day was looking through the guide and found the thing that Embass was talking about, which is actually pretty close - even better really in a lot of ways.
Yeah, thanks. It's good, but it needs a lot of moves instead of just get it by default.

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Old 11-21-2016, 11:12 AM   #25
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Yeah, thanks. It's good, but it needs a lot of moves instead of just get it by default.

Cheers.
Actually, if you're set up to add new envelopes for any parameter you touch, it's no more moves. Wiggle the thing, it makes an envelope, open PM and go.
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Old 11-21-2016, 11:35 AM   #26
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Actually, if you're set up to add new envelopes for any parameter you touch, it's no more moves. Wiggle the thing, it makes an envelope, open PM and go.
Well, it will pollute the whole process, but thanks for the tip
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Old 11-24-2016, 02:41 PM   #27
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DEFINITELY YES
and we'd like much more scripting possibilities regarding parameter modulation...
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Old 02-01-2017, 11:18 AM   #28
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Or it can be like this:
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Old 02-02-2017, 09:24 AM   #29
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Old 02-02-2017, 09:39 AM   #30
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I really hope so. There's more than just a UI reason to do this. There's also an audio safety reason. Enabling parameter modulation should not move the knob because we don't know what that knob can do. It could, for example, be 'limiter ceiling', where increasing the knob lowers the ceiling. I realize these kind of things are less common but it's still possible. The result would be increasing the overall gain of the signal A LOT of the user isn't thinking ahead that way. Any jumps in volume should always be avoided by design.
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Old 02-02-2017, 09:50 AM   #31
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It could, for example, be 'limiter ceiling', where increasing the knob lowers the ceiling.
Agree with you absolutely!
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Old 12-04-2017, 01:13 PM   #32
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Please please plase, add it. It is really useful thing.
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Old 03-04-2018, 05:12 AM   #33
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Old 03-07-2018, 03:55 PM   #34
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Hi Vitalker

I'm gathering all parameter modulation feature requests in one thread.
I've added yours too.

Preferences Option:
Use current value as baseline value.

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=182088

Give that a Holiday bump too
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Old 03-12-2018, 07:57 AM   #35
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Any chance for implementing the feature in 5.78?
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Old 07-19-2018, 12:55 AM   #36
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Sounds useful +1
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