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Old 03-02-2021, 06:11 PM   #1
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Default Reaper DAW OK Reaper Manual is CRIMINALLY BADReaper DAW is ok...

Reaper DAW is ok but if you need help and try to find info from the manual.... god help you. The REAPER MANUAL IS AN INSULT. And the videos are only "helpful" if you already have familiarity.

"name a track or channel" find the reference in the pdf manual and do EXACTLY AND .....O...N...L...Y.... what is proscribed...
"Click ib=n the track name area:....where in the HELL....is that?

Add an icon to a track.... I tried...... NOTHING

what does clicking the little speaker icon in the mixer track do?...... please reference the page in the manual...... NO....REFERENCE.

How about a "Live Picture" of a mixer where, when you hover you mouse over an icon, a pop-up provide basic info and a page reference in the manual !!!

NONE OF THE ABOVE HAS BEEN PROVIDED.

Here's how you land a plane...
be on speed and properly configged not later than IAF
Intercept LOC and within 10nm -15nm.
Confirm Loc ID and perform final cks
Final config a dot above
not later than 1000 agl in imc or 500 agl in vmc
appch spd = 1.3x vso in landg config
Idle power transition starts at approx 50'

GA execute if lndg envor not confirmed at min

all of the above is correct.
but NONE or the above id useful without additional info

the reaper help file..... is....useless
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wow. That was.. special.
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"Click the track name area:....where in the HELL....is that?
If you take a good look at the pictures of different tracks in the user guide, it should be fairly obvious where the "track name area” is (it’s the area of the track where the track name is).
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Old 03-03-2021, 01:38 AM   #4
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How about a "Live Picture" of a mixer where, when you hover you mouse over an icon, a pop-up provide basic info and a page reference in the manual !!!
Sounds great, you should definitely do that. If you need any help with it, the kind people on these forums will be happy to chip in, I'm sure.
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Wow!

Er... welcome to the forums. For future reference, starting off with a rant is unllikely to win you a lot of friends on here.... lighten up.
However, since you have made it clear what you need, how about doing what we always suggest to newcomers? Combine the User Guide with watching some of the free video tutorials at reaper.fm, where you found the user guide download.
Between the two of those you`ll soon get used to what things are called in Reaper.

FWIW it took me a while to figure out what TCP stood for - I thought it was referring to a household disinfectant that we have in the UK>

The difficulty with any user guide is finding a balance between making instructions understandable to someone who has zero experience with a DAW (digital audion workstation) and someone who is transferring from a different DAW and so has the basic knowledge needed to follow the user guide.

P.S. The author of the User Guide is a regular contributor to these forums & happily has a relatively thick skin.
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Well, the instruction and technical manuals for a given plane don’t actually teach you to fly. So you are being a little unfair here OP.

Hover your mouse pointer over a control to see tool tips

To name a track, double left click the dark strip between the red ‘Record Arm/Disarm’ button and the ‘Volume’ knob in the track control panel.

To add an icon: right click the track - Track icon - Set track icon.

Speaker icon in the mixer: hover your pointer over it and it will display the tool tip ‘Record Monitoring:OFF’ unless you click it, in which case it will say ‘Record Monitoring:ON’ or if you click it again, ‘Record Monitoring:AUTO’
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"Click ib=n the track name area:....where in the HELL....is that?
An horrendous typo and a crime against humanity, I agree.

However, my search attempts have been unable to locate the scene of this crime in the User Guide. If you would care to be so good as to give section and page reference, I will see that it is corrected, and flagellate myself 50 times as my penance.

Incidentally, section 1.11 shows an example of a track. An area of that picture is labeled "Track name." If you study this very carefully and closely, it might help you.
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Old 03-03-2021, 08:20 AM   #8
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Here's a flower for you!



Hopefully it can calm you down some!









Once you've calmed down, can you tell us what you need help with?

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FWIW it took me a while to figure out what TCP stood for - I thought it was referring to a household disinfectant that we have in the UK
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Page 19 in Version 6.11, May 2020
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Old 03-03-2021, 01:20 PM   #11
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Default thanks for the mostly polite responses

But ...
1) Users Guide Fail
i did finally find "track name".... but NOT via
users guide
search too
"track name"
for me.... the pdf search failed

2) Forum
no
although there are many well meaning posts
there are also trolls and very unenlightened posts
and its not your job

3) A better user guide platform
should/could start with the
" with your mouse cursor, hover over a region of the interface and right click to activate level 1 info and info in the manual...."

4)..... no.....
I have no patience for snipe hunts
And no time to waste

But to those who offered constructive input ... thank you
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Old 03-03-2021, 02:20 PM   #12
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1) Users Guide Fail
i did finally find "track name".... but NOT via
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"track name"
for me.... the pdf search failed
What pdf reader are you using? Reading through Firefox the guide finds "Track name" -> It is advisable to name the tracks before you start recording. To do this, double-click in the track name area and type the name.

But I guess you did find this? Because in your first post you wrote:

"name a track or channel" find the reference in the pdf manual and do EXACTLY AND .....O...N...L...Y.... what is proscribed...
"Click ib=n the track name area:....where in the HELL....is that?


It is frustrating to learn a new software (I'm assuming your first DAW) but if you give it some time, I'm sure you'll be able to (with the help of the people here) figure Reaper out.

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Huh. I'm kind of lazy. I'll just google Reaper related stuff and the results usually land on the pdf manual or a forum post here and have the answer.

I don't remember (if I ever knew) the fancy google search punctuation either.

I have a friend who often complains about things being impossible and information non-existent. I'll just hit it in the first google search. I try to offer help like "Show me exactly what you typed into google when you tried to search?" He never answers that one.

I think some people just don't like to google search! I wonder why? Seems like a great lazy man's tool.

I still think Reaper is happiness and light!
I believe I've stumbled across bugs and awkwardness too, mind you but none of this even touches the madness that's out there in other products. Guessing you must have seen something you liked in Reaper too, @DrummerJim or you wouldn't be here all fired up!

That's funny, my friend who does that is also a Jim. And so am I. We're taking over!
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What pdf reader are you using? Reading through Firefox the guide finds "Track name" -> It is advisable to name the tracks before you start recording. To do this, double-click in the track name area and type the name.
The OP apparently did find that line, but was not immediately sure on where the "track name area" is, which lead to the initial post (IIUC).

It is true that searching for "track" does not find the figure on page 19, probably because this is a bitmap.

Anyway, I do not agree on "criminally bad", I think Nicholas has done a great job!
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I think the OP does not know that the manual is a contribution my a Reaper user and not by Cockos. But Op, chill a little.
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Anyway, I do not agree on "criminally bad", I think Nicholas has done a great job!
Thank you Fabian.

In the vast majority of cases, when anybody raises an issue with or question about the User Guide I will go out of my way to help them. If, however, someone appears unable or unwilling to observe even the basic norms of common courtesy and respectful communication, then I assume that there is little point in my trying to help them with REAPER.
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I mean, at least he's not a bassist

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Hm. What a tosser....


OOPS! The O.P., not you Jay!!!
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I mean, at least he's not a bassist

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I've been biting my tongue on drummer jokes all day long, just sayin'
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OOPS! The O.P., not you Jay!!!
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OP the manual was written by a fellow forum member who made it available to us for free.

You are way out of line to criticise it. It is very useful and seems pretty clear to follow to me.

To complain that you couldn't figure out how to change track name surely proves you are trolling? Just double click that field......
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Aha! So it IS you in those blurry videos, then!!!
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Old 03-04-2021, 03:12 PM   #23
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Now, now ,Ivan.
That is just not PC.
Maybe tablet?
But enlightening nevertheless

As a relative newcomer (and not realising that the guide was not cockos written -am very very slow on the uptake!) I thought it was quite good!
Compared to those produced for some commercial products (noddy step by step click this guides to just open the app types) it is excellent.

Like the rest of Reaper, and in fact the whole subject of audio recording, producing, music making and instrument playing, it takes a fair amount of time to learn especially if you want indepth knowledge or advanced features!

For me the manual covers the basics well (there is a lot to cover) and goes into a lot of depth too. I needed to understand some of the DAW terminology that I was not familiar with plus some of the specific modern music "slang" and non technical language but after that much of the forum is understandable snd virtually all the bits of the guide I have read. Thanks Nicholas.

I have not come accross the simple things the OP mentions like the problem of where to name the track!

Now it may be that a specific phrase is not found in the pdf manual. No fault there. I just now wanted to find out about tracks so page 2, contents,scroll to page 3, para 1.11 click heading,...bingo! There's the picture.Not difficult at all.

If I was Nic I would be furious at the OP's comments. Perhaps he or she can direct us to a better one he/she has produced such as "the rookie's guide to advanced drumming for numpties"







Edit: On reflection ,as regards the OP, "I don't believe it!". I am turning into Richard Wilson! Anybody not knowing the actor see " One foot in the grave" tv programme.

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If I was Nic I would be furious at the OP's comments.
Thanks mate, but I really don't take posts like that one seriously. It was clearly written for no other reason than to provoke a reaction. I reserve my right to get angry for more important matters in life.
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What a tosser....
Remember that being a tosser isn't actually necessarily against the rules of the forum, but calling someone a tosser is, under pretty much any definition of 'objectionable messages'. I'm sure many of us had the same thought, but name calling only tends to inflame the ire of a tosser, leading for more tedious disruption for us all to have to deal with. A more considered choice of words next time please squire.
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Remember that being a tosser isn't actually necessarily against the rules of the forum, but calling someone a tosser is, under pretty much any definition of 'objectionable messages'. I'm sure many of us had the same thought, but name calling only tends to inflame the ire of a tosser, leading for more tedious disruption for us all to have to deal with. A more considered choice of words next time please squire.
Consider me chastened, Mr.Tie.

Actually, this comment was a mis-quote from a Cadbury`s Smash advert from waybackwhen.

The late great Dave Broad, guitarist extraordinaire, used to modify the original slightly to: "they cut them with their metal knives and then they smash them all to bits... they are clearly a bunch of tossers"

While I think of it, anyone on here remember Dave? Think Cambridge in the seventies & eighties....
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Remember that being a tosser isn't actually necessarily against the rules of the forum, but calling someone a tosser is, under pretty much any definition of 'objectionable messages'. I'm sure many of us had the same thought, but name calling only tends to inflame the ire of a tosser, leading for more tedious disruption for us all to have to deal with. A more considered choice of words next time please squire.
Totally take the point ... but isn't this reminiscent of the "You said Jehovah!" scene in Monty Python's "Life of Brian"? 😉
But the maturity shown on this thread by nicholas and others is indeed admirable.
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Remember that being a tosser isn't actually necessarily against the rules of the forum, but calling someone a tosser is, under pretty much any definition of 'objectionable messages'. I'm sure many of us had the same thought, but name calling only tends to inflame the ire of a tosser, leading for more tedious disruption for us all to have to deal with. A more considered choice of words next time please squire.
+ 1: Exactly what i thought.

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Things can get inflamed and out of hand. I'm guessing that's why the Lounge was closed up
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Yes, every thread can lead to any topic if there is at least one person who like to troll.
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DrummerJim appears to have left his two posts worth & is settling back to enjoy the fruits of his labour. Just saying....
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No surprise there.
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we're now married with two kids. I am so glad he posted here.
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Looks like I may have been politically incorrect, but nonethess accurate.

I know I shouldn`t post stuff like that, but I am getting very frustrated by the way this lovely forum site is getting invaded by a$$holes more & more.

The down side to the internet in general is that it allows cowardly trolls and/or arrogant self-entitled slobs to hide behind anonymous pseudonyms and then stir thing sup with impunity.
This is not good and despite what people have and are still saying, maybe the best solution is to stick a temporary ban on anyone who does this sort of thing. Including me if I get out of order. At least it would keep the crap to content ration down better.
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This is not good and despite what people have and are still saying, maybe the best solution is to stick a temporary ban on anyone who does this sort of thing. Including me if I get out of order. At least it would keep the crap to content ration down better.
Well it depends on moderators. One can ban only users whom they don't like.
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The down side to the internet in general is that it allows cowardly trolls and/or arrogant self-entitled slobs to hide behind anonymous pseudonyms and then stir thing sup with impunity.
Honestly, the best policy with trolls and attention seekers is either to ignore them or if you do reply to do so in such a way as not to give them the rise they are after.

As difficult as it may be at times, rememember your mantra ... Don't feed the troll!
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Yes, this is the best advice.
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Honestly, the best policy with trolls and attention seekers is either to ignore them or if you do reply to do so in such a way as not to give them the rise they are after.

As difficult as it may be at times, rememember your mantra ... Don't feed the troll!
So true, but there are limits to my patience, which is getting compressed as I get older and older.
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In my many years of experience as a technical writer (engineering manuals) I found that any feedback I got from users had the potential to improve my work; even bitter criticisms such as what DrummerJim perpetrated here. Sometimes people get frustrated which leads to anger which leads to lashing out (on a forum perhaps); I'm ashamedly guilty of that myself and hopefully that stays in the past. Assuming DrummerJim is one of those, and not a troll, a good guess would be that instead of being patient and reading the "Setting Up and Getting Started" section of "Up and Running, a REAPER User Guide" first; DrummerJim, beside himself with excitement over his newly acquired software, probably jumped feet first into the vast goodness that is REAPER intent on laying down some "take the world by storm" tracks. Baptism by fire can work with quite a few software programs but such are not in the same league as REAPER; perhaps the extremely affordable cost of REAPER fools some people into thinking they are getting a bare bones, rudimentary program. Of course we REAPER faithful all know how incredibly far from the truth that is. So the question that arises from all of this diatribe is: why, after initially failing in his quest, didn't DrummerJim read the "Setting Up and Getting Started" section of the user guide? The section title certainly begs a newb to give it a read. I don't know the answer but perhaps DrummerJim does and could inform on that here so that measures could be taken to avoid frustration on the part of other new REAPER users in the future. For example, maybe DrummerJIm's attention would have been drawn to a section called "Quick Start", it's often something that simple. Regardless, in my experience, if someone reported a problem with one of my manuals, tactfully or not, it was certain that the problem extended to a larger group of others who weren't reporting on it for one reason or another.

Having said all of that, I should express my admiration for the mixture of depth, brevity and completeness of "Up and Running, a REAPER User Guide"; REAPER is dauntingly complex software and the user guide is an essential tool for it's deployment. It's always up to date and I use it often.
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Old 03-08-2021, 02:40 PM   #40
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In my many years of experience as a technical writer
I'm using that quote to be mildy facetious but it is also a helpful comment... and that is to break up huge paragraphs like ^that into consumable chunks so people can and will actually read all of it. It surprised me to see "technical writer" followed by a huge run-on paragraph.

I'm being 100% genuine and sincere so it's not a disparaging remark as I didn't attempt to read it all due to being a huge blob of words.
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