Old 03-31-2021, 07:40 AM   #1
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Default killer version of hey joe...

too bad about the singer

seriously though i practically scream this song the vocals cant compeete
with the awsome guitar playing of Gibson Mike

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HyT...ew?usp=sharing

so Im wondering if I should just put the song on the shelf untill my singing improves... (lol)
...keep doubleing the lyrics or edit it more

or just post it
because its an awsome guitar song
Mike really did a good job
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Old 03-31-2021, 03:02 PM   #2
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A suggestion: Get more air in your lungs & you will soon find you have a lot more control AND usually a lot more power. You are already pretty much in tune and getting your breathing right will really help.
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Old 03-31-2021, 10:19 PM   #3
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Default PLAY IT AGAIN SAM-

ok so this is comped to hell,three backing track and pitched up 26cents
but i tried one more rec session

https://drive.google.com/file/d/19ly...ew?usp=sharing

the law of diffinushing retuns
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Old 04-01-2021, 01:34 AM   #4
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Why don`t you just try doing another take AFTER you have warmed up your voice and NOT listening to the existing ones when you record it?

Worth a go...
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Old 04-01-2021, 07:35 AM   #5
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Default take 26

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bvQ...ew?usp=sharing


lol ivan good one, i am pushing my voice too hard
I am really just out of shape and out of practice
but i also wonder if my voice is not right for the song

its a technique thing to sing that way i think

is Sammy Hagar a Reaper member?




*how can you tell Im singing over myself ???
are your ears magic ?
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Old 04-02-2021, 02:04 PM   #6
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Default my last try

hey joe
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Bhe...ew?usp=sharing



anyone else like to try singing it?
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Old 04-02-2021, 03:28 PM   #7
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That`s a bit more like it! I still think you dont need to double up on your voice.

Either that or get your phrasing 100% consistent, so you still sound like one singer. Hard to explain in writing...

Give Hendricks a good listen and see what he does in terms of working the words so they really fit the groove. You already sound way better, so it just needs a bit more confidence and concentration & it`ll be fine.
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Old 04-03-2021, 06:50 AM   #8
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Default i guess yould call it "fake rock and roll singing"

I think alot of the problem is the way i pronounce some of the words
or im bad at my 'head voice' its straining notes.I cant hold the pitch properly and the lines are a litte long for proper breath

so I have to put it on the shelf
untill i can find some vocal excercise to strengthen my voice


theres always been an issue with the emotional weight this song should be sung with


hendrix talks when hes singing man,
im giving it way more effort tightening up my vocal chords
and letting it rip


thanks for the inspiration
,..I will continue to bang my head into this wall

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Old 04-03-2021, 06:54 AM   #9
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Default ps. it is what it is

im mainly looking for a good perfomance when i sing

i really thought doubling the vocals was a good idea for weak prefomances,... if you think i should comp exactly everything right to the beat
i could do things the studio way and overdub every sylable and make everything note tight

id like to release the song because the actual song is pretty rocking
and Gibson Mike did such a good job

it can wait
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Old 04-04-2021, 03:15 AM   #10
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You will do yourself far more good if you really persevere on your breathing (like WHEN to take a breath!!!) and of course your phrasing, which is the hardest part.
As far as the double tracking is concerned, that only really works if you are confident you can follow the phrasing etc exactly in both recordings. If not, it just sounds jumbled & may sound fatter but it doesnt sound stronger, if you get me.

As far as not having enough breath to really hit the longer lines, YES try and increase your lung power, but also remember what I have said about when to breathe.
It isn`1t obvious, but you can really help yourself by phrasing a line so you leave just enough room to grab a tiny extra bit of air in the middle somewhere.

I would love to see you (and others) work on their vocal powers & hope you do OK.
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Old 04-04-2021, 07:56 AM   #11
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Default i apprecite the advice

I totally get what you say about the doubled lyrics

breathing and pitch in my head/nose voice is something Im trying to work on but im only bac at this for 3 months

Its not my regular singing voice (Am or low D)
so I have to be carefull

I am really interested in leaning to sing so I can maintain my voice
so mainly ill have to come back to this song when I have a little more power and confidence

this is the phraseing for hey joe

hey joe (breathe)..where you going with that gun in your haaannnnnd
(breathe)thats right i shot her(breathe)i shot her,,.i put her six foot dowwwnn

its quite a mouthful

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Old 04-05-2021, 01:31 AM   #12
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Simple one to try.

Put an extra little sip of breath in after "Where`re you going" and before "with that (optional little breath here too if you need it) gun in your hand"

This shoukld at the very least get you thinking more about exactly how many times you can sneak a little breathe in here and there without it messing up the performance.

Due to my multiple chronic lung illnesses, I am getting pretty good at this!
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Old 04-05-2021, 08:04 PM   #13
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Default its out of my range

think of a balloon with a straw in it ,.it doesnt matter how much air you push through the straw,..its still going to squeek

im no good in my head voice

ie heres something in my normal range

http://ccmixter.org/files/JeffSpeed68/62900
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Old 04-05-2021, 08:05 PM   #14
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I'm with Ivansc on going with a single vocal track.
However I think I get where your coming from with the double vocal track thinking.
I used to do the same thing, thinking it sounded fuller and masked weak off pitch spots. I was wrong.

My 2 cent advice is
Warm up your voice, do trills or at least sing it a few times to loosen up
Record it all just because you can but shoot for 3rd take or whenever you're feeling it. If necessary just hit it line by line instead of the entire song at once. You may already be doing this kind of thing. I don't know.
You'll get there.
And don't be afraid of a little pitch correcting Reatune or other plugin.
Great song !!
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Old 04-07-2021, 12:59 AM   #15
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think of a balloon with a straw in it ,.it doesnt matter how much air you push through the straw,..its still going to squeek

im no good in my head voice

ie heres something in my normal range

http://ccmixter.org/files/JeffSpeed68/62900
Drop the pitch of the backing stuff and record yourself in a comfortable key then move it all back up. If you do it right, the pitch of your vocal will go up with the rest of it. I have done this myself, also the reverse where the speed goes up or down but pitch stays the same. Reaper is handy like that!
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Old 04-07-2021, 07:47 AM   #16
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Default i tried that trick

the vocals are pitched up 26cents already.

i think
problem #1 picked the wrong song/key/tempo
#2 learn to sing my head voice better


this song represents my vocal range
"The Black Cat Blues"
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Old 04-18-2021, 10:55 AM   #17
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so i did a version based on ivans advice

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Oap...ew?usp=sharing

and one where i just kept doing overdubs

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ATC...ew?usp=sharing

not sure either is ready for prime time
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Old 04-18-2021, 11:34 AM   #18
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First one is sounding better (vox) but you have drowned everything in way too much reverb for my taste. I know it`s in the hope of mixing everything up but it actually blurs out the backing instruments, so ease off a little on them & you will get the punch that the original instrumental version had.

Couldnt hear the second one as you hadnt given permission.
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Old 04-21-2021, 07:24 PM   #19
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heres the doubled version its almost there

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hF5...ew?usp=sharing

thanks for your input ivan you made the difference between giving up
and keeping on going

its good training for my voice, but i have no idea why its so hard for me to sing this stupid song
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Old 04-24-2021, 10:26 AM   #20
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i tried the advice from forums

thus is the result
"hey joe"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SKZ...ew?usp=sharing
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Old 04-24-2021, 02:02 PM   #21
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The reason you are still finding it hard to sing it is that you are trying too hard!

The bent notes that you are putting in at the end of a word and at the end of the line are tending to go slightly sharp all the time, unless you think of it as deliberately moving the note up a semi tome, in which case you aren`t quite singing it sharp enough!
Welcome to the wonderful world of creative note bending with your voice!! This stuff is HARD, I mean DIFFICULT to get until you get there, then it is easy because you know where you are going. In most other respects, you really have made some serious progress, mate. Keep slogging away and try to enjoy it.
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