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03-31-2021, 07:40 AM
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killer version of hey joe...
too bad about the singer
seriously though i practically scream this song the vocals cant compeete
with the awsome guitar playing of Gibson Mike
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HyT...ew?usp=sharing
so Im wondering if I should just put the song on the shelf untill my singing improves... (lol)
...keep doubleing the lyrics or edit it more
or just post it
because its an awsome guitar song
Mike really did a good job
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03-31-2021, 03:02 PM
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A suggestion: Get more air in your lungs & you will soon find you have a lot more control AND usually a lot more power. You are already pretty much in tune and getting your breathing right will really help.
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03-31-2021, 10:19 PM
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PLAY IT AGAIN SAM-
ok so this is comped to hell,three backing track and pitched up 26cents
but i tried one more rec session
https://drive.google.com/file/d/19ly...ew?usp=sharing
the law of diffinushing retuns
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04-01-2021, 01:34 AM
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Why don`t you just try doing another take AFTER you have warmed up your voice and NOT listening to the existing ones when you record it?
Worth a go...
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04-01-2021, 07:35 AM
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take 26
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bvQ...ew?usp=sharing
lol ivan good one, i am pushing my voice too hard
I am really just out of shape and out of practice
but i also wonder if my voice is not right for the song
its a technique thing to sing that way i think
is Sammy Hagar a Reaper member?
*how can you tell Im singing over myself ???
are your ears magic ?
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04-02-2021, 02:04 PM
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my last try
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04-02-2021, 03:28 PM
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That`s a bit more like it! I still think you dont need to double up on your voice.
Either that or get your phrasing 100% consistent, so you still sound like one singer. Hard to explain in writing...
Give Hendricks a good listen and see what he does in terms of working the words so they really fit the groove. You already sound way better, so it just needs a bit more confidence and concentration & it`ll be fine.
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04-03-2021, 06:50 AM
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i guess yould call it "fake rock and roll singing"
I think alot of the problem is the way i pronounce some of the words
or im bad at my 'head voice' its straining notes.I cant hold the pitch properly and the lines are a litte long for proper breath
so I have to put it on the shelf
untill i can find some vocal excercise to strengthen my voice
theres always been an issue with the emotional weight this song should be sung with
hendrix talks when hes singing man,
im giving it way more effort tightening up my vocal chords
and letting it rip
thanks for the inspiration
,..I will continue to bang my head into this wall
Last edited by Rhonin; 04-03-2021 at 07:08 AM.
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04-03-2021, 06:54 AM
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ps. it is what it is
im mainly looking for a good perfomance when i sing
i really thought doubling the vocals was a good idea for weak prefomances,... if you think i should comp exactly everything right to the beat
i could do things the studio way and overdub every sylable and make everything note tight
id like to release the song because the actual song is pretty rocking
and Gibson Mike did such a good job
it can wait
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04-04-2021, 03:15 AM
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You will do yourself far more good if you really persevere on your breathing (like WHEN to take a breath!!!) and of course your phrasing, which is the hardest part.
As far as the double tracking is concerned, that only really works if you are confident you can follow the phrasing etc exactly in both recordings. If not, it just sounds jumbled & may sound fatter but it doesnt sound stronger, if you get me.
As far as not having enough breath to really hit the longer lines, YES try and increase your lung power, but also remember what I have said about when to breathe.
It isn`1t obvious, but you can really help yourself by phrasing a line so you leave just enough room to grab a tiny extra bit of air in the middle somewhere.
I would love to see you (and others) work on their vocal powers & hope you do OK.
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04-04-2021, 07:56 AM
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i apprecite the advice
I totally get what you say about the doubled lyrics
breathing and pitch in my head/nose voice is something Im trying to work on but im only bac at this for 3 months
Its not my regular singing voice (Am or low D)
so I have to be carefull
I am really interested in leaning to sing so I can maintain my voice
so mainly ill have to come back to this song when I have a little more power and confidence
this is the phraseing for hey joe
hey joe (breathe)..where you going with that gun in your haaannnnnd
(breathe)thats right i shot her(breathe)i shot her,,.i put her six foot dowwwnn
its quite a mouthful
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04-05-2021, 01:31 AM
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Simple one to try.
Put an extra little sip of breath in after "Where`re you going" and before "with that (optional little breath here too if you need it) gun in your hand"
This shoukld at the very least get you thinking more about exactly how many times you can sneak a little breathe in here and there without it messing up the performance.
Due to my multiple chronic lung illnesses, I am getting pretty good at this!
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04-05-2021, 08:04 PM
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its out of my range
think of a balloon with a straw in it ,.it doesnt matter how much air you push through the straw,..its still going to squeek
im no good in my head voice
ie heres something in my normal range
http://ccmixter.org/files/JeffSpeed68/62900
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04-05-2021, 08:05 PM
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I'm with Ivansc on going with a single vocal track.
However I think I get where your coming from with the double vocal track thinking.
I used to do the same thing, thinking it sounded fuller and masked weak off pitch spots. I was wrong.
My 2 cent advice is
Warm up your voice, do trills or at least sing it a few times to loosen up
Record it all just because you can but shoot for 3rd take or whenever you're feeling it. If necessary just hit it line by line instead of the entire song at once. You may already be doing this kind of thing. I don't know.
You'll get there.
And don't be afraid of a little pitch correcting Reatune or other plugin.
Great song !!
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04-07-2021, 12:59 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Rhonin
think of a balloon with a straw in it ,.it doesnt matter how much air you push through the straw,..its still going to squeek
im no good in my head voice
ie heres something in my normal range
http://ccmixter.org/files/JeffSpeed68/62900
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Drop the pitch of the backing stuff and record yourself in a comfortable key then move it all back up. If you do it right, the pitch of your vocal will go up with the rest of it. I have done this myself, also the reverse where the speed goes up or down but pitch stays the same. Reaper is handy like that!
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04-07-2021, 07:47 AM
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i tried that trick
the vocals are pitched up 26cents already.
i think
problem #1 picked the wrong song/key/tempo
#2 learn to sing my head voice better
this song represents my vocal range
"The Black Cat Blues"
http://ccmixter.org/files/Rhonin/63298
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04-18-2021, 11:34 AM
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First one is sounding better (vox) but you have drowned everything in way too much reverb for my taste. I know it`s in the hope of mixing everything up but it actually blurs out the backing instruments, so ease off a little on them & you will get the punch that the original instrumental version had.
Couldnt hear the second one as you hadnt given permission.
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04-21-2021, 07:24 PM
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permission granted
heres the doubled version its almost there
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1hF5...ew?usp=sharing
thanks for your input ivan you made the difference between giving up
and keeping on going
its good training for my voice, but i have no idea why its so hard for me to sing this stupid song
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04-24-2021, 02:02 PM
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The reason you are still finding it hard to sing it is that you are trying too hard!
The bent notes that you are putting in at the end of a word and at the end of the line are tending to go slightly sharp all the time, unless you think of it as deliberately moving the note up a semi tome, in which case you aren`t quite singing it sharp enough!
Welcome to the wonderful world of creative note bending with your voice!! This stuff is HARD, I mean DIFFICULT to get until you get there, then it is easy because you know where you are going. In most other respects, you really have made some serious progress, mate. Keep slogging away and try to enjoy it.
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