Edit velocity via mousewheel bug (FIXED)

djjedidiah · 03-14-2014, 10:24 PM

This is what happens when I set Ctrl + mouse wheel or Ctrl + Alt + mouse wheel to "adjust value for events". Those extra notes just appear next to the selected notes as soon as the computer registers that the wheel is moving. Pissing me off so much right now. Oh and I didn't capture it but the unwanted notes start at velocity of 1

bugtracker entry here: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=5184

gofer · 03-16-2014, 07:30 AM

Can't reproduce this. Any other info to offer which might be relevant? Does it also happen when you assign to mousewheel only or to other modifiers+mousewheel? What does the event list look like with those weird events?

EvilDragon · 03-16-2014, 07:35 AM

Can't repro this either.

djjedidiah · 03-17-2014, 09:00 PM

The list is like this:

And I can reproduce it in this session, but not just opening any old midi editor and wheel editing velocities. Gonna try saving it as a new session and see what happens.

EDIT: didn't help

Can someone open this session and check it out?

https://stash.reaper.fm/20067/The%20N...0Orchestra.RPP

Argitoth · 03-17-2014, 09:22 PM

How do you set middle mouse wheel as a controller for editing something? Can't find the option in the mouse modifiers.

djjedidiah · 03-17-2014, 09:44 PM

It's in the action list.

I just opened that same session with a portable reaper install, total default, tried the default shift + mousewheel, and it still does it.

EDIT: tried a few old versions going back to reaper40rc1, 4.5pre13, couple others I can't remember, they all do it.

Argitoth · 03-17-2014, 10:43 PM

You have a corrupt project. I can't recreate it except if using your original midi data.

Try some things: export, then reimport midi, try the different mid export options, see if that will uncorrupt the midi.

or even try having REAPER re-record its midi by sending track midi into another track.

try gluing midi

etc.

edit: tried gluing. nope. tried exporting. nope. tried re-recording. nope.

Try exporting midi, importing into another program, exporting midi from that program, then bring it back into REAPER.

djjedidiah · 03-18-2014, 12:42 AM

Exported to FL Studio. Imported back to Reaper. Works. That's great, but I still want to know why this happens. The midi data was at one point in Pro Tools I believe, it's an older tune of mine from when I used PT 9.

Seventh · 03-18-2014, 01:13 AM

Yeah I get this too, and have for a long time now. Haven't been able to reliably reproduce it though. I'm not sure about the corrupt project explanation, as it has happened on several projects, and when I go back to them later the bug's no longer present, IIRC. Sometimes restarting Reaper helps. Weird stuff.

Oh btw, the MIDI is all done in Reaper, no import/export involved.

djjedidiah · 03-18-2014, 01:44 AM

Yeah I've had it happen under non-import circumstances as well. This particular project it can be reproduced any time if you select certain pitches on the "orchestra" track. The bottom notes in the very last part IIRC.

Argitoth · 03-18-2014, 09:59 AM

You need to remove EVERYTHING from your project that does not contribute to recreating the bug. Then post the example project. Make it as easy/simplified as possible to reproduce.

Ozymandias · 05-01-2014, 02:47 PM

Bumping this thread as I'm running into this bug every day.

I've attached a project with nothing in it besides one MIDI item. This item was recorded into REAPER, not imported. I have Ctrl+Shift+Mousewheel assigned to "Adjust value for events".

Ozymandias · 05-02-2014, 08:35 AM

I've been fiddling around with this a bit more today.

For me, this bug seems to affect recorded notes exclusively, not painted/drawn/pasted notes. If I cut recorded notes and then paste them back in preserving their position, they're no longer affected by this bug.

Not an especially convenient workaround, but better than nothing I guess. :/

I should probably add that I'm using 4.61 x64 here. (I can't work with 4.611 due to SWS Console issues I'm having.)

Seventh · 05-02-2014, 09:12 AM

Yep, I can recreate it using the project file you provided. In my projects this usually seems to happen with note patterns where the same note is repeated sequentially, like hihats for example. Oh, and the workaround didn't work for me at least.

spk77 · 05-02-2014, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

I've been fiddling around with this a bit more today.

For me, this bug seems to affect recorded notes exclusively, not painted/drawn/pasted notes. If I cut recorded notes and then paste them back in preserving their position, they're no longer affected by this bug.

Not an especially convenient workaround, but better than nothing I guess. :/

I should probably add that I'm using 4.61 x64 here. (I can't work with 4.611 due to SWS Console issues I'm having.)

It's a bug - Reaper changes the **"note off" events to "note on" events. That's where the extra notes come from:

**(actually it's a "note on" event with velocity 0)

Cutting/pasting fixes it, because it changes all "note on events (velocity == 0)" to actual "note off" events:

90 52 00
changes to
80 52 FF

gofer · 05-02-2014, 12:52 PM

While such a transform shouldn't happen (because it destroys release velocity info, if exists), it shouldn't be much of a problem in itself. MIDI specs treats note on velocity 0 as an alternative message to note off. If Reaper interprets it as start of a new note, that is of course plain wrong.

Fergler · 05-02-2014, 03:27 PM

Great catch Spk! To the bug reporter!

djjedidiah · 05-02-2014, 09:21 PM

Bug reported here: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=5184 thank you guys for confirming and investigating. I really like using the mousewheel for this it speeds up my workflow and I hope it gets fixed soon. Please go and confirm it.

Seventh · 05-03-2014, 07:12 AM

Excellent troubleshooting. Thank you once again spk77!

Dstruct · 04-24-2016, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozymandias

Bumping this thread as I'm running into this bug every day.

I've attached a project with nothing in it besides one MIDI item. This item was recorded into REAPER, not imported. I have Ctrl+Shift+Mousewheel assigned to "Adjust value for events".

Confirmed (5.18 x64) with Shift+Mousewheel.

FIXED (5.20beta7)

schwa · 04-24-2016, 07:58 AM

2 years late but... fixing, thanks.

ivansc · 04-24-2016, 08:01 AM

Dstruct you are amazing!

The champ of bug spotting, but how do you ever find time to make any music?

Dstruct · 04-24-2016, 08:10 AM

Not doing music that much currently. Trying to mark some more threads in the Bug and Feature Requests forums as "DONE" and "FIXED"

Thanks schwa for fixing!

FIXED (5.20beta7)

alanofoz · 04-24-2016, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivansc

Dstruct you are amazing!

The champ of bug spotting, but how do you ever find time to make any music?

Yeah, I've noticed that a lot lately.

Thanks Dstruct, an asset to the Reaper community.

juliansader · 09-27-2016, 11:20 PM

NOT FIXED!

Using "Adjust value for event (mousewheel/MIDI controller only)" to adjust velocity:

(v5.26pre3)

Justin · 09-28-2016, 12:43 AM

Fixing (for channels other than 1) thanks!

Pet · 09-28-2016, 04:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by juliansader

NOT FIXED!

Using "Adjust value for event (mousewheel/MIDI controller only)" to adjust velocity:
...

(v5.26pre3)

Confirmed just FYI on5.26pre4c W10x64. I thought that I did s.th. wrong

Thanks julian!

03-14-2014, 10:24 PM	#1
djjedidiah Human being with feelings Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Denver, CO, USA Posts: 449	Edit velocity via mousewheel bug (FIXED) This is what happens when I set Ctrl + mouse wheel or Ctrl + Alt + mouse wheel to "adjust value for events". Those extra notes just appear next to the selected notes as soon as the computer registers that the wheel is moving. Pissing me off so much right now. Oh and I didn't capture it but the unwanted notes start at velocity of 1 bugtracker entry here: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=5184 Last edited by juliansader; 09-27-2016 at 11:24 PM.

03-16-2014, 07:35 AM	#3
EvilDragon Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 24,859	Can't repro this either. __________________ Edit poly aftertouch in MIDI editor! Entirely (un)dockable UI! \| Improve Render Queue!

03-17-2014, 09:44 PM	#6
djjedidiah Human being with feelings Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Denver, CO, USA Posts: 449	It's in the action list. I just opened that same session with a portable reaper install, total default, tried the default shift + mousewheel, and it still does it. EDIT: tried a few old versions going back to reaper40rc1, 4.5pre13, couple others I can't remember, they all do it. Last edited by djjedidiah; 03-17-2014 at 09:52 PM.

03-17-2014, 10:43 PM	#7
Argitoth Human being with feelings Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,057	You have a corrupt project. I can't recreate it except if using your original midi data. Try some things: export, then reimport midi, try the different mid export options, see if that will uncorrupt the midi. or even try having REAPER re-record its midi by sending track midi into another track. try gluing midi etc. edit: tried gluing. nope. tried exporting. nope. tried re-recording. nope. Try exporting midi, importing into another program, exporting midi from that program, then bring it back into REAPER. Last edited by Argitoth; 03-17-2014 at 10:49 PM.

04-24-2016, 08:01 AM	#22
ivansc Human being with feelings Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Near Cambridge UK and Near Questembert, France Posts: 22,756	Dstruct you are amazing! The champ of bug spotting, but how do you ever find time to make any music? __________________ Ici on parles Franglais

03-16-2014, 07:30 AM	#2
gofer -blänk- Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,365	Can't reproduce this. Any other info to offer which might be relevant? Does it also happen when you assign to mousewheel only or to other modifiers+mousewheel? What does the event list look like with those weird events?

03-17-2014, 09:00 PM	#4
djjedidiah Human being with feelings Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Denver, CO, USA Posts: 449	The list is like this: And I can reproduce it in this session, but not just opening any old midi editor and wheel editing velocities. Gonna try saving it as a new session and see what happens. EDIT: didn't help Can someone open this session and check it out? https://stash.reaper.fm/20067/The%20N...0Orchestra.RPP

03-17-2014, 09:22 PM	#5
Argitoth Human being with feelings Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,057	How do you set middle mouse wheel as a controller for editing something? Can't find the option in the mouse modifiers.

03-18-2014, 12:42 AM	#8
djjedidiah Human being with feelings Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Denver, CO, USA Posts: 449	Exported to FL Studio. Imported back to Reaper. Works. That's great, but I still want to know why this happens. The midi data was at one point in Pro Tools I believe, it's an older tune of mine from when I used PT 9.

03-18-2014, 01:13 AM	#9
Seventh Human being with feelings Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Finland Posts: 776	Yeah I get this too, and have for a long time now. Haven't been able to reliably reproduce it though. I'm not sure about the corrupt project explanation, as it has happened on several projects, and when I go back to them later the bug's no longer present, IIRC. Sometimes restarting Reaper helps. Weird stuff. Oh btw, the MIDI is all done in Reaper, no import/export involved.

03-18-2014, 01:44 AM	#10
djjedidiah Human being with feelings Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Denver, CO, USA Posts: 449	Yeah I've had it happen under non-import circumstances as well. This particular project it can be reproduced any time if you select certain pitches on the "orchestra" track. The bottom notes in the very last part IIRC.

03-18-2014, 09:59 AM	#11
Argitoth Human being with feelings Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 2,057	You need to remove EVERYTHING from your project that does not contribute to recreating the bug. Then post the example project. Make it as easy/simplified as possible to reproduce.

05-02-2014, 08:35 AM	#13
Ozymandias Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 144	I've been fiddling around with this a bit more today. For me, this bug seems to affect recorded notes exclusively, not painted/drawn/pasted notes. If I cut recorded notes and then paste them back in preserving their position, they're no longer affected by this bug. Not an especially convenient workaround, but better than nothing I guess. :/ I should probably add that I'm using 4.61 x64 here. (I can't work with 4.611 due to SWS Console issues I'm having.)

05-02-2014, 09:12 AM	#14
Seventh Human being with feelings Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Finland Posts: 776	Yep, I can recreate it using the project file you provided. In my projects this usually seems to happen with note patterns where the same note is repeated sequentially, like hihats for example. Oh, and the workaround didn't work for me at least.

05-02-2014, 12:52 PM	#16
gofer -blänk- Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 11,365	While such a transform shouldn't happen (because it destroys release velocity info, if exists), it shouldn't be much of a problem in itself. MIDI specs treats note on velocity 0 as an alternative message to note off. If Reaper interprets it as start of a new note, that is of course plain wrong.

05-02-2014, 03:27 PM	#17
Fergler Human being with feelings Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 5,301	Great catch Spk! To the bug reporter!

05-02-2014, 09:21 PM	#18
djjedidiah Human being with feelings Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Denver, CO, USA Posts: 449	Bug reported here: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=5184 thank you guys for confirming and investigating. I really like using the mousewheel for this it speeds up my workflow and I hope it gets fixed soon. Please go and confirm it.

05-03-2014, 07:12 AM	#19
Seventh Human being with feelings Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Finland Posts: 776	Excellent troubleshooting. Thank you once again spk77!

04-24-2016, 07:58 AM	#21
schwa Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NY Posts: 16,501	2 years late but... fixing, thanks.

04-24-2016, 08:10 AM	#23
Dstruct Human being with feelings Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,525	Not doing music that much currently. Trying to mark some more threads in the Bug and Feature Requests forums as "DONE" and "FIXED" Thanks schwa for fixing! FIXED (5.20beta7) Last edited by Dstruct; 04-26-2016 at 09:52 AM.

09-27-2016, 11:20 PM	#25
juliansader Human being with feelings Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 3,714	NOT FIXED! Using "Adjust value for event (mousewheel/MIDI controller only)" to adjust velocity: (v5.26pre3) __________________ Scripts for advanced MIDI editing \| LFO Tool for MIDI editor and envelopes Video thumbnail scripts \| ReaScriptAPI extension

09-28-2016, 12:43 AM	#26
Justin Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 16,117	Fixing (for channels other than 1) thanks! Last edited by Justin; 09-28-2016 at 01:01 AM.

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