Copy/duplicate item - envelope misbehaves (FIXED)

[Junke]

What´s going on here?

[Junke]

After fiddling around with this behaviour i think it´s intentional, the point appearing is at the start of the next clip. Also i can work around it via ctrl+c/ctrl+v.
Just doesn´t make much sense to me.

[Jeffos]

Originally Posted by Junke

What´s going on here?

You have the option "envelope points move with items" enabled

EDIT: now, I think are you talking about the late env. points being "overwritten" (?)

If so, yes, it´s intentional: points are indeed copied up to the next item. It's kinda new too (4.75), to improve things when you copy/move items followed by empty space --but in this case/gif, you haven't any point to copy there (i.e. in the empty space at the very beginning of the gif), and your pasting this flat envelope over other points, so everything behave as expected, but.. yeah... I see what you mean...

[Junke]

Thanks for clearing that up.
Yes, the point appearing and overwriting the automation caused the confusion.
Copying and pasting it doesn´t do this so i don´t really understand the logic behind it. It´s not a problem though.

[Jacos]

I haven't been in this situation yet, but it would be a problem to me. "Points move with item", to me, means the points related to that item, ie underneath it- not to interfere with existing automation for other items. Is it confirmed this is intentional? How do you get around it, Junke?

[witti]

Confirmed. 'Add edge points when moving envelope points' seems to be broken.

[Jeffos]

Indeed, fixed for the next build, thanks for the report!

About the OP...

Originally Posted by Junke

i don´t really understand the logic behind it. It´s not a problem though.

... we have already reverted the "old behavior" (i.e. envelopes points moved within item bounds, instead of start of next item) for the next build too, but just to clarify the logic behind it: imagine a sustain type of fx, and an envelope modifying it in the "empty space" following the item (post-fx fade, typically): in this case, you'd want those envelope(s) to be moved/copied too... There are other "clever solutions" to this issue, but they would be confusing (e.g. different behavior per envelope, etc).

[Banned]

Originally Posted by Jeffos

... we have already reverted the "old behavior" (i.e. envelopes points moved within item bounds, instead of start of next item) for the next build too, but just to clarify the logic behind it: imagine a sustain type of fx, and an envelope modifying it in the "empty space" following the item (post-fx fade, typically): in this case, you'd want those envelope(s) to be moved/copied too... There are other "clever solutions" to this issue, but they would be confusing (e.g. different behavior per envelope, etc).

Fwiw, this 'logic' makes absolutely no sense to me. If one would want to *copy* a part of the envelope, one should not use a *move* action in any case. And if one would want to move a part of the envelope that is not overlapping with an item, one should not try to move that item only, but simply select that part of the envelope.

[EvilDragon]

Automation items, where art thou? There would be no issues such as these with them... (Jeffos - that's the cleverest solution for most of such issues related to automation in Reaper )