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№1 request, so why not?
or what do you think about it?
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Old 10-31-2017, 10:46 AM   #2
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Threads about this already exist. But here are some tidbits of info:

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Old 10-31-2017, 11:59 AM   #3
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Threads about this already exist. But here are some tidbits of info:

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this is so fsad :'(
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№1 request, so why not?
How have you determined it's the number one request?

And how would money help in implementing it?
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How have you determined it's the number one request?

And how would money help in implementing it?
i saw it. almost everyone's 1st poste at this forum is about ara or melodyne, in mixing-guys community everybody's crying about it, at least those people that i know.

it can show how much people want it in money equivalent.
i sure it is a lot of people like me, that better pay to cockos instead of buying new daw (that worse than reaper, in my opinion) just for editing vocals.
i mean i love REAPER very much, man, i'm just trying to do something to make ARA or whatever it be > possible... i dont know.
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Biggest FR of all times are most definitely extended edit groups and area selection. Then all the MIDI bugfixes. Perhaps only then ARA.
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Biggest FR of all times are most definitely extended edit groups and area selection. Then all the MIDI bugfixes. Perhaps only then ARA.
ok, maybe i'm wrong with it
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+1 for ARA . Wish it will be christmas present for reaper users.
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Old 10-31-2017, 01:46 PM   #9
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№1 request
No1 is whatever whatever user feels is No1.
Kickstarter, well, I'm not sure you can buy Justin for money
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Biggest FR of all times are most definitely (...) area selection.
omg! i got to some hope reading this
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Not sure why, it's not as if I'm one of the developers. Just stating it as it is, take a look at which issues are most voted in the deprecated issue tracker...
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Area selection is the single reason why I keep Pro Tools installed... Oh, and Audio Suite. So, two reasons why I still use PT.

Both make Post work so much easier.


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Threads about this already exist. But here are some tidbits of info:

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https://askjf.com/index.php?q=3857s
Justin's response is quite sensible - perhaps it is better to do a kickstarter to get other devs to support the Reaper API
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Old 11-01-2017, 06:45 AM   #14
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No1 is whatever whatever user feels is No1.
Oh yes. It's funny how many people claim to ask for the no1 missing feature. Somehow I never feel this particular is the most important issue for me. Must be something wrong with my mind.

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Kickstarter, well, I'm not sure you can buy Justin for money
Perhaps not. But the money could be used by Justin to hire another programmer to code stuffe that he doesn't feel like doing himself.

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there is no way this is the number one request but I definitely would love to see it.
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Yeah I'd say Area Selection, aka Not-Broken-Copy-Paste-in-2017, tops this list. ARA + Melodyne would be badass though!
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Justin's response is quite sensible - perhaps it is better to do a kickstarter to get other devs to support the Reaper API
What would be Melodyne's reason for not implementing, given the seemingly trivial amount of effort required? Are they owned by a company that sees Reaper as a threat?
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Yeah I'd say Area Selection, aka Not-Broken-Copy-Paste-in-2017, tops this list. ARA + Melodyne would be badass though!
i'm sorry, but can you give me examples of it? it is strange that i have not problem with it. or maybe i misunderstood
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i'm sorry, but can you give me examples of it? it is strange that i have not problem with it. or maybe i misunderstood
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=193121
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oh! i got you. for my simple tasks regions works fine
and i have to create en empty midi items on those tracks that have automations, to simply copy it, and yeah this is works quite strange

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Stevie,

You should create a thread at the Celemony (Melodyne) forum to gauge the interest of the developers. I would put money towards the Kickstarter but how much do you think would be needed for the developers to take us seriously?
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I would put money towards the Kickstarter but how much do you think would be needed for the developers to take us seriously
Wouldn't work that way. To come up for an amount of money needed to develop a feature you must consult the developers.

So this means Cockos will have to start the Kickstarter campaign. Because only they are able to estimate the time (= money) required. Which in turn means you have to convince Cockos that the whole "raise money to outsource a feature" is worth all the hassle.

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So this means Cockos will have to start the Kickstarter campaign
Agree
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Which in turn means you have to convince Cockos that the whole "raise money to outsource a feature" is worth all the hassle.
Except that will not ever happen, because Cockos doesn't operate that way.
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at least i tried
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AFAIK, there is a propriety Reaper API that allows for accessing the RAW audio data.

So for 3rd parties it might be possible (even though supposedly a lot of work and brain twisting) to create an ARA interface on top of this by doing a Reaper extension DLL, Melodyne might be able to access when loaded as a VST in Reaper.

Hence throwing some money at the appropriate site might help.

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So for 3rd parties it might be possible (even though supposedly a lot of work and brain twisting) to create an ARA interface on top of this by doing a Reaper extension DLL, Melodyne might be able to access when loaded as a VST in Reaper.
Melodyne doesn't itself instantiate ARA, it's all up to the host. 3rd parties can't hook into the Reaper plugin hosting stuff in a way that would help this situation. So, if a 3rd party would want to enable using ARA plugins in Reaper, it would be a pretty involved process that would require also writing all the needed plugin hosting code too...Which would be a horrible waste of resources, considering all that code is already in Reaper and has been debugged and improved for over 10 years now.
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I was asking for this long time ago... don't think it will ever happen because some basic stuff is still not fixed and this is a major feature.
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You can have major features without basic stuff being fixed. Case in point: automation items, notation.
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I was asking for this long time ago... don't think it will ever happen because some basic stuff is still not fixed and this is a major feature.
ARA wouldn't require much else than adding on top of VST2/VST3 plugin hosting, it doesn't depend on other features. (Some hooks into media item editing, undo etc might need to be added.)
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What would be Melodyne's reason for not implementing, given the seemingly trivial amount of effort required? Are they owned by a company that sees Reaper as a threat?
Not that I have a dog in this fight but why would a company that's already created a free plugin extension and API to better access their only product spend time working to conform to another API for one particular daw? It makes no sense.

Then if, for example ARA 2.0 shows up, they're gonna do it again, twice?

It would only maybe make financial sense (very little still given that there's already an API for it) if Reaper users were buying Melodyne Editor licenses like hotcakes, more than any other workstation users.
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i know nothing about this, but Which others DAWs done this?
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S1, Tracktion/Waveform, Sonar, AFAIK. Not sure if there are a few more.
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They wouldn't be doing anything twice, 2.0 isn't different code, its additional code.

Justin states it's a couple hours of work to implement on the ARA side and that it's less efficient and too ugly to add it to reaper just to satisfy a single plugin which is as valid an argument.

If it is that simple, I see it no different than any plugin dev supporting any DAW, that's what they do every day, make their plugins work in lots of DAWs. The buzzword API is what is throwing everyone - in other words at minimum it is "you do the work, no you do the work".
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Justin states it's a couple hours of work to implement on the ARA side and that it's less efficient and too ugly to add it to reaper just to satisfy a single plugin which is as valid an argument.
Nevertheless, those other DAWs with ARA support have just implemented it as offered by Celemony.
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Nevertheless, those other DAWs with ARA support have just implemented it as offered by Celemony.
Maybe every plugin company should just do APIs, what a mess, that's my point. I know their hands are tied to an extent for technical reasons though so it sounds like a no-win situation.
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S1, Tracktion/Waveform, Sonar, AFAIK. Not sure if there are a few more.
very nice! thank you
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Maybe every plugin company should just do APIs, what a mess, that's my point. I know their hands are tied to an extent for technical reasons though so it sounds like a no-win situation.
There seems to be some DAWs which agreed using it! in some way Melodyne is unique and so they invested in it! That would not happen if it was a chorus effect API :P (i know nothing about this tho, just pushing...)
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There seems to be some DAWs which agreed using it! in some way Melodyne is unique and so they invested in it! That would not happen if it was a chorus effect API :P (i know nothing about this tho, just pushing...)
I see it this way as I eluded before, first there is what we as users want but we need to set that aside for a second.

ARA (this is if my memory serves - you guys correct me if I'm wrong) came up with something that can't do it's full job via standard VST. That is truly a bit of a rock and a hard place, "can't do with within the standard the other 100,000 plugins on the planet do it - Let's see if we can get all the DAWs to buy into our API"

So, from a technical perspective, they innocently put themselves in that position due to technical/protocol hurdles, but it does go further than "just do it" if we think beyond our proverbial noses. Would it be cool to have, I'm sure it would for those who use it, but some of the onus must be on them because they stepped outside standards FWIW and the are the "plugin" not the host - for that reason, there isn't much reason they can't spend a couple hours on Reaper's behalf - or as previously stated, Justin's reasoning is as valid. What if 20 more developers come up with cool plugins that cause the same problem, the DAWs can't constantly chase that dragon.
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Except there's nothing to buy into, API is free for any developer. Of course, time to implement it is not free...
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