Envelope points set to "Move with Media Items" DON'T move with tempo changes (FIXED)

Nonlinear · 05-13-2018, 09:53 AM

Envelope points in an automation lane are not moving with the media when tempo is changed - even with "Move envelope points with Media items" selected.

Envelope points MOVE with the item if dragged along the timeline but do not STRETCH with the item if item or project tempo is changed.

Nonlinear · 05-14-2018, 04:01 PM

Anyone else notice this?

It appears automation envelope points are always in "Time" mode even if associated audio track is in "Beat" mode.

What is the fix or workaround?

FnA · 05-14-2018, 05:07 PM

I noticed a few versions back that MIDI take envelopes don't respect beats timebase. Never got around to reporting it or researching if someone else did already. But track envelope seems to work as I expect. You sure you got the TRACK timebase set to beats or project default (if that is beats), or just the ITEM timebase?

Justin · 05-15-2018, 11:22 AM

Thanks, fixing that!

FnA · 05-19-2018, 08:40 PM

Thanks for the attention to this matter. As of 5.90rc5, it appears you can adjust the tempo envelope and MIDI take envelopes will keep beat positions.

However, I first came across this situation when attempting to copy MIDI items to a position that had a different tempo. It still seems to be a problem in this case. In other words, MIDI take envelopes don't adapt to tempo changes the same way as beat based track envelopes do during move/copy of items.

Also, copy/paste of one item/take's points to another (across tempo change) seems to be suffering from the same "time-based" problem.

05-13-2018, 09:53 AM	#1
Nonlinear Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 396	Envelope points set to "Move with Media Items" DON'T move with tempo changes (FIXED) Envelope points in an automation lane are not moving with the media when tempo is changed - even with "Move envelope points with Media items" selected. Envelope points MOVE with the item if dragged along the timeline but do not STRETCH with the item if item or project tempo is changed. Last edited by Nonlinear; 05-14-2018 at 04:00 PM.

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05-14-2018, 04:01 PM	#2
Nonlinear Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 396	Anyone else notice this? It appears automation envelope points are always in "Time" mode even if associated audio track is in "Beat" mode. What is the fix or workaround?

05-14-2018, 05:07 PM	#3
FnA Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,173	I noticed a few versions back that MIDI take envelopes don't respect beats timebase. Never got around to reporting it or researching if someone else did already. But track envelope seems to work as I expect. You sure you got the TRACK timebase set to beats or project default (if that is beats), or just the ITEM timebase?

05-15-2018, 11:22 AM	#4
Justin Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 16,117	Thanks, fixing that!

05-19-2018, 08:40 PM	#5
FnA Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 2,173	Thanks for the attention to this matter. As of 5.90rc5, it appears you can adjust the tempo envelope and MIDI take envelopes will keep beat positions. However, I first came across this situation when attempting to copy MIDI items to a position that had a different tempo. It still seems to be a problem in this case. In other words, MIDI take envelopes don't adapt to tempo changes the same way as beat based track envelopes do during move/copy of items. Also, copy/paste of one item/take's points to another (across tempo change) seems to be suffering from the same "time-based" problem.