Old 10-16-2018, 08:12 AM   #1
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Default Recording Take Counter and Wildcard

Concerning...
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... the introduction of a "recording take counter" and a corresponding wildcard.

As a "recording take" I declare the act of recording one or multiple record-armed tracks until this very recording is stopped. (This term is used to avoid confusion with the already existing "takes".)


Request
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o) An internal integer counter, whose initial value can be set by the user, which increases by one with every accepted recording action.
o) A corresponding wildcard which contains the current value of said counter in order to use it in the filename of the saved audio files after a recording action.


Benefit
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Currently, available wildcards to differentiate recorded takes/files are only those providing date and time information. A counter as proposed would provide short and clear file name/recording take nomenclature.


Reason
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Especially in classical recording sessions, in which the recording engineer makes important notes about the current take in the score and where quick note taking and quick communication with the tape operator is essential, the described nomenclature is common and of big advantage.
At the beginning of each take its later recording take number is already known, whereas the time/date information under which it will be saved is not (and cumbersome to use for communication and documentation purposes).


Implementation/thoughts
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o) internal integer counter with a user-definable initial value
o) wildcard (e.g.: $rectake) prints current value of counter
o) if one or more recorded items are accepted after record stop, the counter increases (and is used if the wildcard is used in the file name). It remains unmodified otherwise.
o) internal integer variable keeping track of the last used (!) counter value. This can be used to inform the user of potential file name conflicts in case (s)he modified the counter value between two recording actions.

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Old 10-21-2018, 02:27 PM   #2
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Is there really nobody interested in such a feature?
What other ways, other than time/date stamps, are there to identify recorded media?

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Old 10-21-2018, 02:36 PM   #3
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Personally, YMMV, October 21st, 2018 @ 5:35:00.000 PM only happens once in our entire existence, for that reason I always use time because it makes so much sense and is pretty much 100% foolproof. Again, YMMV. In other non-musical things I do, I use computer based "ticks" which is the number of nanoseconds since epoch which is even more accurate and also 100% unique.

I also think "takes" in the description in any form is confusing and probably not the best idea for naming.
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Old 10-23-2018, 05:58 AM   #4
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I ABSOLUTELY SECOND THIS FEATURE REQUEST. I have been pleading for the ability to make the first recording be marked as -01 instead of just the track name forever. It's ridiculous that I have to hit record and stop every time I do a session just to get to take 1.
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Old 10-25-2018, 11:46 AM   #5
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Honestly I can't believe it's not an option to have Reaper record files with sequential file names, as opposed to always having to have the first recording just be the track name.

with everything else you can configure in this program, this, to me, is the most embarrassing omission.
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Old 11-02-2018, 03:43 AM   #6
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Originally Posted by karbomusic View Post
Personally, YMMV, October 21st, 2018 @ 5:35:00.000 PM only happens once in our entire existence, for that reason I always use time because it makes so much sense and is pretty much 100% foolproof. Again, YMMV. In other non-musical things I do, I use computer based "ticks" which is the number of nanoseconds since epoch which is even more accurate and also 100% unique.

I also think "takes" in the description in any form is confusing and probably not the best idea for naming.
Undoubtedly, time (or ticks) are unique and definitely the most precise naming convention one could possibly choose. However, with your arguments you ignore the reasons for the request, which I provided above, and which are an issue in my daily work and that of my colleagues (I'm the Reaper guy and "naming takes by date and time" has already become a running gag among them.)

I think it is a simple and very basic feature request. Quick and simple (!!) coordination during recording sessions, where you need to make "real time" notes in your score is the main reason. Closely followed by the fact that a single integer number is much more quickly grasped than a date/time identifier when scanning through recorded files, for instance.

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Thanks for your support, cdmstudios.

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Old 01-18-2019, 10:31 AM   #7
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just trying to bump this. I keep hoping to see this in every update I install...
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Old 02-07-2019, 04:34 PM   #8
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I'm here again to emphasize my unchanged interest in such a feature.
Just today we had another discussion during a recording session preparation and take numbers (for score notes) have been once more an issue.
Please give us a "recording counter" and a corresponding wildcard.

Cheers!
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Old 02-08-2019, 03:00 PM   #9
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please!!!!!!
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Old 03-29-2019, 05:28 AM   #10
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what is the resistance to this? Honestly?

take 1 should be take 1...

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Old 03-29-2019, 06:55 AM   #11
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MediaItem-Statechunks have that rec-counter already built-in:

From my docs: https://github.com/Ultraschall/ultra...Chunk-Doku.txt

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RECPASS integer state
the counter of the recorded item-takes within a project, ordered by the order of recording. Only displayed with recorded item-takes, not imported ones.
integer state - the counter of the recorded items, ordered by the order of recording, with 1 for the first recorded item, 2 for the second, etc
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Old 03-29-2019, 11:55 AM   #12
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...and it's now in v5.973+dev0329
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Old 04-07-2019, 08:04 AM   #13
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Kowtow for this feature!
It remains only to add a window that displays the current counter value (like Pyramix:https://rmmedia.ru/attachments/136541/)
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Old 04-07-2019, 08:19 AM   #14
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YES!!! thank you for adding this!!
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Old 04-07-2019, 08:29 AM   #15
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It also says an option was added to reset the counter - where would that be?
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Old 04-07-2019, 10:10 AM   #16
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There's an action called 'reset global recording pass counter' in the Actions List :-)
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Old 04-08-2019, 07:54 AM   #17
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I'm confused about how this works. I just updated to the new software and loaded an existing project and relabeled a track and recorded a take and it came up as take 481. Even when I rename the track and start again it keeps the take number going up from 481. Why isn't going back to 1 each time I relabel the track?
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It only seems to reset the number if you use the above action, even with new tracks. Not sure why?
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Old 04-08-2019, 08:28 AM   #19
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that seems completely useless.
Bummer
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Old 04-08-2019, 04:16 PM   #20
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Why would there be a global counter? Why is the counter not the same as the internal one was which dictated what the subsequent file would be called? Can't you just change that to add a "-1" to the end of the first recording, instead of the second?

Or if you're going to add a $recpass, have it reset per track automatically as the normal one does when you rename.

I'm so confused about this addition
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Old 04-09-2019, 07:25 AM   #21
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Here's another real world example of this conundrum:

I want to do a loop recording of a vocal line. I label the track "vocal insert chorus 3b"
I record 4 takes back to back in loop record.
The item says (4 of 4) but the last take says -3.wav

very confusing.
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Old 05-01-2019, 08:48 AM   #22
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I'm wondering if there's any other response to this, as I thought we were getting the feature requested but it doesn't actually work as needed.

Do the powers that be understand the distinction between what was given and what was asked for and why the global counter doesn't work in this scenario?

I'm just wondering if this is still being worked on or if it's been dropped.

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Old 05-14-2019, 07:45 AM   #23
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Glad to see that we can at least have an incrementing take number, and yes, I agree that the reset doesn't quite work yet.

I'm looking at slaving my Reaper to Pyramix via Eucon, and it would be great to be able to keep the take numbers in sync. Pyramix has a great option to manually change the take number either after a recording or in the options menu. And a separate, movable window for the take number would be brilliant. Context: classical music recording, where take numbers start at the start of the session, and continue incrementally as we move through the piece.
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