MIDI touch-replace broken (FIXED)

_Stevie_ · 04-26-2019, 06:29 PM

There seems to be a problem with MIDI touch-replace. It behaves like "overdub mode". MIDI latch-replace however, seems to work fine:

MIDI touch-replace

MIDI latch-replace

Justin · 04-28-2019, 06:29 AM

I think touch-replace refers to the note recording rather than CC recording, yeah. There's no concept of touch for CCs, so maybe that would have to be latch-replace? Or touch with a timeout?

Klangfarben · 04-28-2019, 06:37 AM

Hi Justin, I think the confusion lies in that touch is not doing the same thing as it does for regular automation. I think it should function the same way whether for track automation or midi - which is it should replace the previous events while touched. Doing it any other way is I think by definition confusing as it's not conforming to standard practice.

Perhaps I'm missing something here (I usually am...) but I can't see a scenario where you would ever want to keep two sets of CC data in the same lane. Nothing good would ever come from that.

_Stevie_ · 04-28-2019, 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Justin

I think touch-replace refers to the note recording rather than CC recording, yeah. There's no concept of touch for CCs, so maybe that would have to be latch-replace? Or touch with a timeout?

Touch with a timeout would be perfect! Like, when no new CC data is received, stop replacing and keep the "old" CC.

Justin · 04-28-2019, 07:29 AM

The current behavior is actually to replace all of the CC data when a note is down. Which may or may not be desired, hmph. And in latch mode it's also somewhat different than probably-expected: if you record any CC it overwrites all CCs on that channel until stopping. I imagine each CC type should latch/touch separately... but of course changing this could be messy.

_Stevie_ · 04-28-2019, 07:34 AM

Oh, hmm, I see the dilemma...

Would two additional latch and touch modes for "CC only" be a solution?

Justin · 04-28-2019, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Stevie_

Oh, hmm, I see the dilemma...

Would two additional latch and touch modes for "CC only" be a solution?

Or maybe the current behavior isn't enjoyed by anybody and it should be fixed?

_Stevie_ · 04-28-2019, 07:38 AM

Well, if that's an option, I'm all for it

I really liked that timer idea, if that's feasible.

EvilDragon · 04-28-2019, 10:56 AM

I agree that we should have a preference for touch-replace timer for CCs. The way it works now is really not useful.

Klangfarben · 04-28-2019, 11:13 AM

Agreed, the current behavior is not something I would ever use.

Justin · 04-28-2019, 05:47 PM

Upgrades coming in the next +dev cycle!

_Stevie_ · 04-28-2019, 10:21 PM

Amazing, thanks so much Justin!

_Stevie_ · 05-02-2019, 08:20 AM

Thanks Justin, works mighty fine!

_Stevie_ · 05-14-2019, 03:11 AM

Justin, there's one thing that I noticed while using this in a production:
would it be possible to differentiate between notes and CCs while recording,
so that notes don't get erased when only recording CCs?

EvilDragon · 05-14-2019, 03:29 AM

That would be really great, yes.

_Stevie_ · 05-14-2019, 03:32 AM

Maybe as an option, so everyone is pleased? :P

EvilDragon · 05-14-2019, 03:36 AM

I don't think it needs an option really. It just makes logical sense. Only what is touched gets replaced!

Klangfarben · 05-14-2019, 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

I don't think it needs an option really. It just makes logical sense. Only what is touched gets replaced!

+1. Definitely.

_Stevie_ · 05-14-2019, 08:27 AM

Okay, go Justin, go Justin

_Stevie_ · 05-14-2019, 10:26 AM

Hooray, added in dev514!

carbon · 04-08-2022, 04:35 AM

Where can you change the "Touch with a timeout" duration?
I'm having a problem with it in my thread:
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=264901

04-26-2019, 06:29 PM	#1
_Stevie_ Human being with feelings Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Black Forest Posts: 5,153	MIDI touch-replace broken (FIXED) There seems to be a problem with MIDI touch-replace. It behaves like "overdub mode". MIDI latch-replace however, seems to work fine: MIDI touch-replace MIDI latch-replace __________________ My Reascripts forum thread \| My Reascripts on GitHub If you like or use my scripts, please support the Ukraine: Ukraine Crisis Relief Fund \| DirectRelief \| Save The Children \| Razom

04-28-2019, 07:34 AM	#6
_Stevie_ Human being with feelings Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Black Forest Posts: 5,153	Oh, hmm, I see the dilemma... Would two additional latch and touch modes for "CC only" be a solution? __________________ My Reascripts forum thread \| My Reascripts on GitHub If you like or use my scripts, please support the Ukraine: Ukraine Crisis Relief Fund \| DirectRelief \| Save The Children \| Razom

04-28-2019, 07:38 AM	#8
_Stevie_ Human being with feelings Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Black Forest Posts: 5,153	Well, if that's an option, I'm all for it I really liked that timer idea, if that's feasible. __________________ My Reascripts forum thread \| My Reascripts on GitHub If you like or use my scripts, please support the Ukraine: Ukraine Crisis Relief Fund \| DirectRelief \| Save The Children \| Razom

04-28-2019, 10:56 AM	#9
EvilDragon Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 24,859	I agree that we should have a preference for touch-replace timer for CCs. The way it works now is really not useful. __________________ Edit poly aftertouch in MIDI editor! Entirely (un)dockable UI! \| Improve Render Queue!

04-28-2019, 10:21 PM	#12
_Stevie_ Human being with feelings Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Black Forest Posts: 5,153	Amazing, thanks so much Justin! __________________ My Reascripts forum thread \| My Reascripts on GitHub If you like or use my scripts, please support the Ukraine: Ukraine Crisis Relief Fund \| DirectRelief \| Save The Children \| Razom

04-28-2019, 06:29 AM	#2
Justin Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 16,117	I think touch-replace refers to the note recording rather than CC recording, yeah. There's no concept of touch for CCs, so maybe that would have to be latch-replace? Or touch with a timeout?

04-28-2019, 06:37 AM	#3
Klangfarben Human being with feelings Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,726	Hi Justin, I think the confusion lies in that touch is not doing the same thing as it does for regular automation. I think it should function the same way whether for track automation or midi - which is it should replace the previous events while touched. Doing it any other way is I think by definition confusing as it's not conforming to standard practice. Perhaps I'm missing something here (I usually am...) but I can't see a scenario where you would ever want to keep two sets of CC data in the same lane. Nothing good would ever come from that.

04-28-2019, 07:29 AM	#5
Justin Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 16,117	The current behavior is actually to replace all of the CC data when a note is down. Which may or may not be desired, hmph. And in latch mode it's also somewhat different than probably-expected: if you record any CC it overwrites all CCs on that channel until stopping. I imagine each CC type should latch/touch separately... but of course changing this could be messy.

04-28-2019, 11:13 AM	#10
Klangfarben Human being with feelings Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,726	Agreed, the current behavior is not something I would ever use.

04-28-2019, 05:47 PM	#11
Justin Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 16,117	Upgrades coming in the next +dev cycle!

05-02-2019, 08:20 AM	#13
_Stevie_ Human being with feelings Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Black Forest Posts: 5,153	Thanks Justin, works mighty fine! __________________ My Reascripts forum thread \| My Reascripts on GitHub If you like or use my scripts, please support the Ukraine: Ukraine Crisis Relief Fund \| DirectRelief \| Save The Children \| Razom

05-14-2019, 03:11 AM	#14
_Stevie_ Human being with feelings Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Black Forest Posts: 5,153	Justin, there's one thing that I noticed while using this in a production: would it be possible to differentiate between notes and CCs while recording, so that notes don't get erased when only recording CCs? __________________ My Reascripts forum thread \| My Reascripts on GitHub If you like or use my scripts, please support the Ukraine: Ukraine Crisis Relief Fund \| DirectRelief \| Save The Children \| Razom

05-14-2019, 03:29 AM	#15
EvilDragon Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 24,859	That would be really great, yes. __________________ Edit poly aftertouch in MIDI editor! Entirely (un)dockable UI! \| Improve Render Queue!

05-14-2019, 03:32 AM	#16
_Stevie_ Human being with feelings Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Black Forest Posts: 5,153	Maybe as an option, so everyone is pleased? :P __________________ My Reascripts forum thread \| My Reascripts on GitHub If you like or use my scripts, please support the Ukraine: Ukraine Crisis Relief Fund \| DirectRelief \| Save The Children \| Razom

05-14-2019, 03:36 AM	#17
EvilDragon Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 24,859	I don't think it needs an option really. It just makes logical sense. Only what is touched gets replaced! __________________ Edit poly aftertouch in MIDI editor! Entirely (un)dockable UI! \| Improve Render Queue!

05-14-2019, 08:27 AM	#19
_Stevie_ Human being with feelings Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Black Forest Posts: 5,153	Okay, go Justin, go Justin __________________ My Reascripts forum thread \| My Reascripts on GitHub If you like or use my scripts, please support the Ukraine: Ukraine Crisis Relief Fund \| DirectRelief \| Save The Children \| Razom

05-14-2019, 10:26 AM	#20
_Stevie_ Human being with feelings Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Black Forest Posts: 5,153	Hooray, added in dev514! __________________ My Reascripts forum thread \| My Reascripts on GitHub If you like or use my scripts, please support the Ukraine: Ukraine Crisis Relief Fund \| DirectRelief \| Save The Children \| Razom

04-08-2022, 04:35 AM	#21
carbon Human being with feelings Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Eesti Posts: 2,755	Where can you change the "Touch with a timeout" duration? I'm having a problem with it in my thread: https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=264901 __________________ projektorn

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