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Hmm.. Devs. I think the change log might be wrong right?
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Hmm.. Devs. I think the change log might be wrong right?
Two many changes, yes.
P.S. I know you are talking about the last string.
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That was quick.

Anyone tested the Arm64 build on the M1 machines ?
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Anxious to hear this too.
And a performance comparison between Reaper x86-64 and Reaper ARM would be highly appreciated.
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Anyone tested the Arm64 build on the M1 machines ?
Wanna send some macbook?
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Could we have an option for this please? xD
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Could we have an option for this please? xD
I like it as it is. You should just adapt.
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'One more thing' ala steve Jobs....
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This reminds me of some other features that could be added in one go.. I am no programmer but I am sure that all the features I would like in Reaper are related to exactly this part of the code.
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Anxious to hear this too.
And a performance comparison between Reaper x86-64 and Reaper ARM would be highly appreciated.
LogicX benchmarks absolutely smoke the comparable Intel hardware in a similar price category and even further above.
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Does this mean Reaper supports hashtags now?
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Since this is the pre-release discussion I'd like to make a modest request here to the devs.

If I'm not wrong at all, the razor edit function hasn't made it into a final release yet. So my problem is to translate this into German. There are simply no synonyms which could describe what this function does in a reasonable way by using the term 'razor' to be translated into German. 'razor' in German deals exclusively with 'shaving'. And yes, one could associate 'razor' with 'sharp', but using this, still either translation would end up clumsy if not to say even ridiculous. To emphasize: 'razor edit' in German would end up as 'Rasierklingen-Bearbeitung' or 'Rasiermesser-Schnitt' or any combination of these terms left and right of the hyphen. But as I said, these words (on the left side of the hyphen) mean 'to shave' somebody.

Well yes, a razor blade (as 'razor edit' is depicted in its icon) can be used for other things than shaving, but then again - why would a 'razor edit' be more sharp than any other edit? And if we consider 'sharp' as 'fine' (opposed to 'coarse'), a razor edit function would even allow cuts that aren't necessarily rectangular, but it doesn't afaik.

My goal here isn't just to find a way to translate 'razor edit' in a reasonable way for the sake of itself, but to find a way to make the term comprehensible in every language preferably. At least in German it isn't.

So my question is whether it might be possible to call 'razor edit' something else that really fits and describes what this function really does.
Maybe it could be called 'rectangular edit', 'rect-edit', 'range edit', 'spanning edit' or so.

I'd be grateful, if you at least consider my request. It would make things much easier.

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So my problem is to translate this into German.
so would you say that you're looking for a Richtiger Erklärung?
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Maybe it could be called 'rectangular edit', 'rect-edit', 'range edit', 'spanning edit' or so.
Actually I found the original name area selection/edit pretty fitting.
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so would you say that you're looking for a Richtiger Erklärung?
No, I don't need an Erklärung, I just want to be able to do a richtige or passende translation.

Shaving a beard with a razor simply doesn't allow to construct a reasonable conjunction from what the 'razor edit' function in REAPER does (i. e. means) to an appropriate and reasonable short and crisp translation to German when using this English term.

When you're halfway able of thinking (in) English you go "Hm, 'razor edit'? Quite clear." or you don't even think about it at all, because it's just quite clear, but when translating this into German, a German, not familiar with English at all would go (in German of course): "Hm - eerm - razor edit? What's that to do with shaving?"

Yes, you could say one can get used to it, but my goal was always to try to mold the translation in a way that you have the same thoughts and intuitions when doing something with REAPER, no matter whether in English or German, because same thinking breaks barriers. But following this paradigm, 'razor edit' leaves me helpless without a clue.

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Thanks Phazma!

This gives room and would make translation much easier.
BTW: IIRC Airon was/is a long-time fighter for area selection (the function, not necessarily the term).



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No, I don't need an Erklärung, I just want to be able to do a richtige or passende translation.
just making a clumsy and not very clever play on R.E., i understand where your concerns stem from. might be an opportunity to come up with your own description based on the abbreviation, especially since it's rather common to just refer to things in shorthand anyway.
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So what about scissor edit = Schere?
This fits more into the general naming scheme in relation to other software..
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just making a clumsy and not very clever play on R.E., i understand where your concerns stem from. might be an opportunity to come up with your own description based on the abbreviation, especially since it's rather common to just refer to things in shorthand anyway.
Well, Pentecost,

No worries!
I surely got what you were up to even if I turned it back into a (at least to me) somewhat serious point.

You somehow gave me the opportunity to emphasize my concern a bit more.
Therefore I'd like to thank you. And I do!
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Since this is the pre-release discussion I'd like to make a modest request here to the devs.

If I'm not wrong at all, the razor edit function hasn't made it into a final release yet. So my problem is to translate this into German. There are simply no synonyms which could describe what this function does in a reasonable way by using the term 'razor' to be translated into German. 'razor' in German deals exclusively with 'shaving'. And yes, one could associate 'razor' with 'sharp', but using this, still either translation would end up clumsy if not to say even ridiculous. To emphasize: 'razor edit' in German would end up as 'Rasierklingen-Bearbeitung' or 'Rasiermesser-Schnitt' or any combination of these terms left and right of the hyphen. But as I said, these words (on the left side of the hyphen) mean 'to shave' somebody.

Well yes, a razor blade (as 'razor edit' is depicted in its icon) can be used for other things than shaving, but then again - why would a 'razor edit' be more sharp than any other edit? And if we consider 'sharp' as 'fine' (opposed to 'coarse'), a razor edit function would even allow cuts that aren't necessarily rectangular, but it doesn't afaik.

My goal here isn't just to find a way to translate 'razor edit' in a reasonable way for the sake of itself, but to find a way to make the term comprehensible in every language preferably. At least in German it isn't.

So my question is whether it might be possible to call 'razor edit' something else that really fits and describes what this function really does.
Maybe it could be called 'rectangular edit', 'rect-edit', 'range edit', 'spanning edit' or so.

I'd be grateful, if you at least consider my request. It would make things much easier.

Thanks in advance!

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Hello Mr Date!

I don't know if that can help you but ...
I think the way is to think as:

The cut made by a razor has to do with precision, a precise cut. I think the meaning would be the same if scalpel was used.

A precise area
A well-defined area

For my language, being a very rich language, it was not difficult to find a more suitable sentence for Razor Edit

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So my problem is to translate this into German.
Every person in germany knows the word "razor". Even my grandma knows it from tv commercials. So why translate?

Besides, there is a correct translation: Rasierklinge !
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I don't know if that can help you but ...
I think the way is to think as:

The cut made by a razor has to do with precision, a precise cut.
Thanks Edison,

The thoughts you suppose I naturally had as well, but you can do precise cuts as well with time selection, just not in a way that it is delimited by an upper and lower edge and even here with 'razor edit' you can't cut precisely in y-direction e.g. a range of amplitude (for whatever reason that could be useful) or, if you use spectral display, a frequency range or, say, a range in the middle of an automation curve, so precision in that matter isn't given by 'razor edit' anyway. That lead me to the thought, that precision can't be the main point here, because 'precision' in a literal sense would expel the limitation of snapping into tracks and their inherent lanes or rectangular ranges generally in the first place.

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Every person in germany knows the word "razor". Even my grandma knows it from tv commercials. So why translate?

Besides, there is a correct translation: Rasierklinge !
Yes Zeno, I know, but you missed my point completely.
Maybe you refer to post #14 of this thread or to Edison's post above, who quoted it.


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For my language, being a very rich language, it was not difficult to find a more suitable sentence for Razor Edit

Edição Estilete
Estiletaço (just kidding, hahaha)

which name are you thinking in Portuguese ?
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Edição Estilete
Estiletaço (just kidding, hahaha)

which name are you thinking in Portuguese ?
Olá Daniel,

As duas formas mais próximas para Razor na tradução foram de:

Precisão e Aguçamento.

Por isso entre elas, minha escolha para Razor Edit foi: Edição aguçada.

P.S: Além de Navalha: Bisturi e Estilete teriam a mesma tradução pois estão relacionadas com precisão em seu corte (corte preciso).

P.S: In addition to Razor: Scalpel and Stylus or Stiletto would have the same translation because they are related with precision in their cut (precise cut).

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Here are experimental arm64 builds of SWS and ReaPack. (I have no idea if these run at all.)

EDIT: ReaPack 1.2.3.1 and SWS 2.12.1.1 now have ARM64 builds.

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Actually I found the original name area selection/edit pretty fitting.
me too, and everyone who ever used it in other DAWs but maybe razor sounds more hipster tho
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Area selection / edit has always felt more accurate a description of the function to me as well....

However, long before computers were used, audio editing (fades, splicing, etc) was done with razor blades and I believe this is the reference being made with razor edit.

I imagine they used the same techniques in Germany. Perhaps you could research to find out the language used to describe that process then and use that for the translation. My guess is, they used razors as their tool also...I imagine they described those blades with a specific term.
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My guess is, they used razors as their tool also...
Yes, razor (Rasierklinge) or tape scissor (Bandschere)...
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I haven't taken time to read the whole thread, but for translation how does 'slice' ( razor ) and 'splice' ( join ) work?
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Actually, "razor" always refers to shaving, may it be English, French or German.
The exact term would be "exacto" for fine cutting.
Google up "exacto". You'll get that blade/knife used in minute crafting.
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But also a sniper rifle

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EXACTO
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Razor is the tool. You can do more than one job with this tool.

On multitrack tape, you could transplant areas if you were accurate and methodical. It wasn’t just slicing the “erm” and “um” from 1/4” stereo and rejoining

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Määäänsch, ist das denn so schwer.

Klingenschnitt.

Ich hab Senkelbänder auch nie mit Rasierklingen jeschnittn, sondern mit ner Klinge. Hund begraben. Drops gelutscht.
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When I insert media into "new sample player", new track is created briefly and then removed:


I have ReaSamplOmatic5000 plugin renamed, maybe that has something to do with it?

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Actually, "razor" always refers to shaving, may it be English, French or German.
The exact term would be "exacto" for fine cutting.
Google up "exacto". You'll get that blade/knife used in minute crafting.
Well that explains why it's called an "exacto knife". I always thought it was a term referring to the company that made them similar to Kleenex... Perhaps instead of Razor Edits, we should call them EXACTO EDITS... or maybe just in German...

Thanks for that interesting tidbit of informational trivia!
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Well that explains why it's called an "exacto knife". I always thought it was a term referring to the company that made them similar to Kleenex... Perhaps instead of Razor Edits, we should call them EXACTO EDITS... or maybe just in German...

Thanks for that interesting tidbit of informational trivia!
"Cutter" is another word. I think "kutter" in German is a pretty apt translation.
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"Cutter" is another word. I think "kutter" in German is a pretty apt translation.
Kutter is a kind of boat in German.
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Area selection / edit has always felt more accurate a description of the function to me as well....

However, long before computers were used, audio editing (fades, splicing, etc) was done with razor blades and I believe this is the reference being made with razor edit.

I imagine they used the same techniques in Germany. Perhaps you could research to find out the language used to describe that process then and use that for the translation. My guess is, they used razors as their tool also...I imagine they described those blades with a specific term.
This is unbelievable!
I used this technique myself a loooong time ago and more than often btw. That long ago that I have totally forgotten about it. My bad.

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Määäänsch, ist das denn so schwer.

Klingenschnitt.

Ich hab Senkelbänder auch nie mit Rasierklingen jeschnittn, sondern mit ner Klinge. Hund begraben. Drops gelutscht.
Nöö, nüsch schwierig, abba dit is janüsch der Punkt.
'razor edit' is imho in Englisch schon Sch... öhm, naja, weil Rechtecke markieren hat nix mit 'ner Klinge oder 'nem Schnitt mit selbiger zu tun, denn es ist haptisch und visuell ein vollkommen anderer Vorgang, daher ist der Begriff für diese Funktion an sich schon alles Andere als intuitiv. Das wird die Übersetzung womöglich unnötig verschwurbeln, weil das Ergebnis holprig-unbeholfen sein wird, nicht das (Nicht-)Fehlen von Übersetzungen für das Wort 'Razor'.

However, 'Klingenschnitt' könnte 'ne jute Krücke hergeben!

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I see your point, Schwa (besides the fact, that I can't understand, why the thumb of this hand is so awfully hairy ), but doesn't this picture apply similarly to editing via time selection as well as 'razor editing' in REAPER? Even with time selection you can do more detailed edits than you could do with a razor on magnetic tape, by deciding which track or item you select, for instance. And the mentioned precision isn't a point in that matter in neither way here anyway, be it time selection or razor edit; they both can be as coarse or as minute as one needs it. 'razor edit' is just more versatile. Your picture explains why you chose to call it 'razor edit'. And yet, you couldn't edit an analog tape and beforehand and/or afterwards manipulate some automation with a razor, could you?

Also, we shouldn't forget, that many people who use REAPER, never used an analog tape recorder at all and much less did any tape editing on such a device. How would they intuitively think of a razor in the first place?

IMHO, since working in front of a computer screen, the term 'razor edit' would fit if you could do edits of any shape in the arrange view the same way as you'd do in a graphics application, but you can't. You draw rectangles that snap in to the height of tracks or subsequent lanes. And this is what I find quite irritating, because this is haptically and visually a total different thing from using a razor to edit tape in real life. What happens on the screen, especially when working with wide tracks or lanes, doesn't go along well with the term 'razor', a thing that you'd use delicately and with caution.

However, all I am asking for is to use a term that might go better for what it does and what you see on the monitor. Something catchy that intuitively makes you go "Ah!" in any language and at any level of experience or skill just at a glance. Sonictim's proposal 'area edit' might be a good example, because this describes what you do and see on the screen. You select an area and edit.


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