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When deleting a track, a confirmation window appears (see enclosed image).
In many softs, I tend to press the esc key to cancel my action but apparently, it isn't recognized in Reaper. Shouldn't it work this way?
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Since nobody else has bothered replying, my take on this is as follows:
Just because more than one application behaves in a certain way doesn`t mean that everything else should change it`s ways to follow the same behaviour. That said, maybe re-post this in the feature request section as an ask? I can`t think that it is something I personally would use as it isn`t a habit I have gotten into over the years, but there may well be many others on here who have & will give such a feature request support. Good luck!
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It's not an unreasonable request but I'm too busy making hit albums to care. Make music !
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I actually wonder how other people do. Do you just press N for no, or click on your mouse? Clicking is cool but you have to reach your mouse and click on this tiny button while Esc is almost a muscular reflex for me. Also, the less I use my mouse or trackball the better (Esc button is closer to my MIDI keyboard).
If it gets no attention here, I'll try feature request. Thank you for your take.
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Since Oui is highlighted, can't you just press enter to confirm it? How would that be different than pressing Escape in this instance?
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Esc is fairly standard for this (or at least a number of places in reaper) across the application universe so it should probably be made to work - it's often interpreted to mean "stop". There are multiple asks for this over the years here FWIW.
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I guess I'm in the opposite boat because I'd like to avoid having this dialog box appear altogether. I can always undo the action if I do it on accident
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+1 for escape to cancel (as OP suggested) - this would be the expected behaviour in most apps i presume. -W
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However, even if it did, I'm auto-backing up every five minutes. So chances are, it exists in one of those back-ups. |
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You are presuming, not persenting proof. FWIW I pretty much never close an app using the escape keys these days. Agreed years ago it was fairly common but as far as I can see not so common these days. Have you tried closing Word or a similar widely-used application using the esc key, for instance?
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yep . Hitting Escape is never an accept, it's a close/cancel/do not proceed action.
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I'm all for you being able to remove that pop-up, but as an option (and I would suggest, not by default).
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![]() EDIT:As a side note. When opening Word pressing escape during the 'splash-screen' closes word/cancels load. Reaper (also) ignores escape during the splash-screen.
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Also, on my setup, not all ways of deleting tracks produce a dialog box at all (this isn't default by any stretch though):
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I'm not debating, just explaining why. Similar "are you sure" behavior occurs in TCP, if there are no items or FX on the track = no confirmation dialog but if there are, it wants you to confirm you meant to. Could one find exceptions, of course, we already have an ESC key that doesn't work consistently but the reasoning for trying is fairly sound.
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I mean, you could still accidentally have unintended tracks selected, and then delete them, with or without a confirmation box. So the argument that a confirmation box prevents you from accidentally deleting something isn't a strong one, in my opinion. I don't think you'll be surprised to hear that randomly pressing keys can cause all sorts of ill shit to happen. Luckily we have Undo, and more usefully an Undo history to see what we just did. Plus, it's totally inconsistent. I can select an item and press Del to remove it, with no dialog box appearing. What is the difference between an item and a track? Both actions can be undone in the exact same manner. Having said all that, IF a dialog box is deemed necessary for whatever reason, then absolutely, allow us to Esc out of it. You can already do that with ReaConsole, for example. |
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^^^^ disagree about everything here ^^^^^
Mixing totally different situations. As karbo alredy mentioned there is major difference if user selects the track, right-click and select the command versus blindly press delete key which works on context basis (so it deletes different things in different cases) - so then it will just request for confirmation (only then it will tell you what is going to happen) --- in the first case with deleting from menu it was already known what is going to happen. |
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And do you expect a dialog box to appear for each of those random actions? |
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I accidentally hit a random key I didn't mean to all the time actually; due to high use of shortcuts and being a one-man-band much of the time in the studio.
I'm not sure why this is even close to a debate though --- ESC has been used to cancel for decades (the thread subject). It's obvious why delete doesn't ask when there are no items or FX... I already pointed out Reaper is inconsistent in it's application, but being inconsistent does not at all undo the reasoning for the prompt when it appears, or the desire to "escape" from it. It's not about whether someone likes it or not, just what the reasoning is/was. It could be any of 100 other actions taken where in the middle of it ESC should cancel, that's all there is to it.
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when you hit escape in the pop up in the browser in untrustworthy website , asking if you want to install the amazing goodie, you hit escape. Do you expect it to be a yes, i want , please continue? you could always undo .. ![]() https://www.google.com/search?q=esca...ng+in+computer
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I posted this somewhere some time ago, and you can read "close button" as "Escape" key. Same Happens.
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I think it wouldn't hurt to have the possibility to cancel by ESC on any confirmation window, but I may forget cases I'm not familiar with. Anyway, thank you everyone for you input on this matter!
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fwiw, I cant remember the last time I hit the ESC key on my Windows machines, either. I do 90% of everything with the mouse. This would seem to account for WHY I didn`t get what you were saying in the OP. I just assumed it was about thee ESC key and Reaper in general. Sorry about that, but as someone who regularly hits both the capslock and the ESC by mistake in Windows,I for one would want an option NOT to do this. ![]()
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There is a score given by ux audit which reffers to - how time it took for an user to complete a task. It also takes into account user's review on how easy is to complete the task. The audit is done on thousands of users usually. But as low as 10 users are enough to give a clear picture on some things. On the escape=close pattern there is no question about it, it is clearly the expected behavior by 90%+ of users. |
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Just noticed that this confirmation window (delete tracks) close button inactive so you can't even press it. Like option to close this window was disabled on purpose, maybe because of some technical limitations or something. I think Justin can explain it if he wants to. In other reaper windows close button is active and escape key works.
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btw now I use action "Cut items/tracks/envelope points (depending on focus) ignoring time selection" (ctrl+x by default) instead of "Remove..." (delete) so maybe it helps you or use another action with no confirmation window. "Track: Remove tracks" for example |
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Dear devs, is there a logical reason why Esc. doesn't close the window in this case?
Thank you!
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ESC closes an FX chain window; however, remove an FX from the chain and it doesn't any more. I'm sure there are other examples.
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I vote a hearty "YES please!". AS noted before, ECS already closes some windows in Reaper. I press it without thinking because it's such a universal thing in most software. For those that would not use it, no harm done. For the rest of us, life with Reaper would be a little simpler.
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these prompts should use OK/Cancel rather than yes/no (which will have the side effect of making escape work!). Fixing in a +dev build soon
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I checked the last build and Esc works perfectly in said context now. Thank you for fixing that, Justin!
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It does, but only if you click in a blank space in the fx list first. Whereas you don't need to do that if you haven't removed an fx.
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(no matter if there are more plugin or some deleted, it always highlights one plugin in the list after deleting a plugin and ESC closes whole window, even if no plugin is highlighted/selected). |
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