MAJOR BUG: Incorrect or totally missing shortcut keystrokes in REAPER menus on Mac

cohler · 05-27-2021, 09:33 AM

On Mac, REAPER displays totally incorrect key combinations in some cases--and sometimes no key combination at all--in the main REAPER menus (customized obviously) even though the corresponding commands are correctly assigned key combinations in the Action list (and correspondingly in the reaper-kb.ini file).

In a few of the highlighted cases, you might argue that the displayed key combination is correct, e.g. "!" instead of "Shift-1," but in that same menu "Shift-3" is listed correctly as "Shift-3" and not "#", so even that small subset of these cases, the displayed key combination is inconsistent at best.

See the following image. All the red highlights show missing or incorrect key combinations in the REAPER main menus.

In most cases, I have typed the actual Mac key combination into the menu description itself so it appears to the left of each menu right margin. The REAPER generated menu key combination listings all appear right-justified in their respective menus (or blank where they don't appear at all).

This is not an exhaustive list, but it is the majority of the problems.

This is a major bug in REAPER for the ENTIRE Mac community, so I hope it can be fixed soon.

_Stevie_ · 05-27-2021, 09:42 AM

Yes, similar issues are on Windows with non-US/UK layouts.
Not sure if this is related, but would love to see all these keyboard issues fixed.

vitalker · 05-27-2021, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Stevie_

Yes, similar issues are on Windows with non-US/UK layouts.
Not sure if this is related, but would love to see all these keyboard issues fixed.

It is probably due to Reaper's dislike of Unicode.

cohler · 05-27-2021, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Stevie_

Yes, similar issues are on Windows with non-US/UK layouts.
Not sure if this is related, but would love to see all these keyboard issues fixed.

I'm using US layout.

MAJOR BUG.

Needs to be fixed immediately. It applies to EVERY Mac user in the world in any case.

cohler · 05-27-2021, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vitalker

It is probably due to Reaper's dislike of Unicode.

Has nothing to do with Unicode. It is simply incorrect menu listings.

cohler · 11-30-2021, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cohler

On Mac, REAPER displays totally incorrect key combinations in some cases--and sometimes no key combination at all--in the main REAPER menus (customized obviously) even though the corresponding commands are correctly assigned key combinations in the Action list (and correspondingly in the reaper-kb.ini file).

In a few of the highlighted cases, you might argue that the displayed key combination is correct, e.g. "!" instead of "Shift-1," but in that same menu "Shift-3" is listed correctly as "Shift-3" and not "#", so even that small subset of these cases, the displayed key combination is inconsistent at best.

See the following image. All the red highlights show missing or incorrect key combinations in the REAPER main menus.

In most cases, I have typed the actual Mac key combination into the menu description itself so it appears to the left of each menu right margin. The REAPER generated menu key combination listings all appear right-justified in their respective menus (or blank where they don't appear at all).

This is not an exhaustive list, but it is the majority of the problems.

This is a major bug in REAPER for the ENTIRE Mac community, so I hope it can be fixed soon.

Is nobody going to fix this MAJOR MAJOR BUG that affects ALL MAC USERS and a VAST NUMBER of incorrectly displayed or completely missing keystrokes???????

MonkeyBars · 11-30-2021, 03:17 PM

OP is a bit confusing to me. What exactly is going on? Menus are displaying the wrong key combos?

Recommend making a licecap of setting a keycut and menu showing it wrong just after

cohler · 11-30-2021, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonkeyBars

OP is a bit confusing to me. What exactly is going on? Menus are displaying the wrong key combos?

Recommend making a licecap of setting a keycut and menu showing it wrong just after

Look at the picture I posted and highlighted.

As I stated in detail above, those ARE screen shots of REAPER menus. No need for a licecap. All of the red highlights indicate where either assigned keystrokes are not displayed at all, or assigned keystrokes are displayed incorrectly.

What is it that you don't understand?

cohler · 11-30-2021, 04:14 PM

To keep things simple, try assigning the keystroke SPACE to any action in the action list, and then put that action in a menu.

You will see that the keystroke DOES NOT APPEAR in the menu.

cohler · 11-30-2021, 04:26 PM

Here you go for the SPACE example. SPACE is assigned to action "Transport: Play/stop":

Action "Transport: Play/stop" is added to the Actions menu:

Keystroke SPACE is NOT DISPLAYED IN THE MENU.

And as I documented in my OP, that is just one of dozens of keystrokes that either (a) do not display at all, or (b) display incorrectly.

MonkeyBars · 11-30-2021, 06:24 PM

Thanks! Yes that would be good to fix for sure +1

kaylec · 11-30-2021, 07:30 PM

So this is a cosmetic thing? They key commands still work as expected, just don’t show up correctly?

I’m not trying to minimize the issue, just clarifying for my own understanding.

cohler · 11-30-2021, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaylec

So this is a cosmetic thing? They key commands still work as expected, just don’t show up correctly?

I’m not trying to minimize the issue, just clarifying for my own understanding.

Correct. The keystrokes work and activate the actions to which they are assigned, but IN THE MENUS they display either not at all or incorrectly in DOZENS of cases.

A couple of the more ridiculous examples are that Shift-[ appears in the menus as F12!! and Shift-] appears in the menus as F14!!

It makes REAPER appear VERY unprofessional, and there is no reason that this could not be quickly remedied, but this report has sat here in this queue with no response from @justin, @schwa, or anybody else for 6 months or more...

A bug as MASSIVE, pervasive, basic, and obvious as this one really demands a serious and quick response.

MonkeyBars · 11-30-2021, 08:26 PM

Admittedly is a nasty UX issue.

Luckily, I imagine it's a rather simple fix

cohler · 12-01-2021, 06:13 AM

Here's another example of the many DOZENS of incorrectly displayed keystrokes...

MASSIVE BUG NEEDS TO BE FIXED!

cohler · 12-02-2021, 05:51 AM

And another... A perfectly innocuous character such as "@" doesn't show up at all in the menus either as "@" or as "Shift-2". BUG

Fergler · 12-02-2021, 10:09 AM

You type like you're selling me an affiliate marketing opportunity the likes of which hasn't been heard of in three whole days.

Calm down, be nice.

MonkeyBars · 12-02-2021, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fergler

You type like you're selling me an affiliate marketing opportunity the likes of which hasn't been heard of in three whole days.

Calm down, be nice.

Yes, remember that there are exactly two head devs who are both "human beings with feelings" and not above prioritizing polite users' desires

cohler · 12-02-2021, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fergler

You type like you're selling me an affiliate marketing opportunity the likes of which hasn't been heard of in three whole days.

Calm down, be nice.

Not one word in any of my posts was not "nice". Just the facts.

MonkeyBars · 12-02-2021, 10:31 AM

"Needs to be fixed immediately." impolite

"there is no reason that this could not be quickly remedied" assumptive

"Is nobody going to fix this" passive aggressive

check yoself

Fergler · 12-02-2021, 11:12 AM

Your first post was actually quite good except for the superlative 'totally' in the first sentence which is tonally insensitive.

It goes downhill from there when you lose all patience with a software you did nothing to create and actually financially benefit from selling a product that merely extends or alters the capability, and this is far from the first thread in which you shout about the falling sky that none of apparently care about.

I don't like you. But I do believe you can do better and maybe I'll give it a shot.

cohler · 12-02-2021, 11:22 AM

Ignoring all the ad-hominem nonsense that so often pervades this forum, I will continue on to report the FACTS for the benefit of the REAPER developers.

This bug that I reported six months ago affects EVERY Mac user that uses REAPER. This bug that I reported six months ago includes incorrectly displaying, or not displaying at all, DOZENS of keystrokes.

It is a MAJOR BUG, that affects a LARGE NUMBER of users, and that makes REAPER appear less professional than it otherwise is. Something as basic as displaying keystrokes correctly in menus, is not a difficult problem to address.

It deserves IMMEDIATE attention, so that REAPER doesn't damage it's own reputation in the market.

Fergler · 12-02-2021, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cohler

This bug that I reported six months ago affects EVERY Mac user that uses REAPER. This bug that I reported six months ago includes incorrectly displaying, or not displaying at all, DOZENS of keystrokes.

It is a MAJOR BUG, that affects a LARGE NUMBER of users, and that makes REAPER appear less professional than it otherwise is. Something as basic as displaying keystrokes correctly in menus, is not a difficult problem to address.

Facts.

Quote:

It deserves IMMEDIATE attention, so that REAPER doesn't damage it's own reputation in the market.

Not facts. That is an opinion.

Opinions are welcome.
It's how you're putting them that sucks.

Let me put this another way... we're suggesting a way for you to present these opinions and facts in a way that encourages a fix.

karbomusic · 12-02-2021, 11:27 AM

You guys forgot the screaming all caps major bug stuff which is also, let's say, at minimum not conducive to a healthy user/dev relationship.

But some will never get that, trust me on that and that you are wasting your time trying to get the OP to behave any differently than they always have here, they are infallible so I don't even know why you are trying.

cohler · 12-02-2021, 11:29 AM

Another example of the dozens... Command-= doesn't display at all in the menus.

Fergler · 12-02-2021, 11:32 AM

Yeah, Karbo you're right.

I'll just leave this here for anyone thinking I might be a little too invested in my disdain for this charlatan.

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=251153

cohler · 12-02-2021, 12:18 PM

Getting back to signal and ignoring the NOISE of irrelevant, off-topic, ad-hominem, childish, nastiness, ...

Wondering when @schwa and @justin will address this major BUG?

karbomusic · 12-02-2021, 01:45 PM

^NO PROBLEM, go for it you big lovable sweetheart you.

Btw, it's not ad hominem since we are NOT discounting what you WANT by attacking YOU. We are simply calling out how terrible YOU are at most any communication on this forum - we live in a society, if you suck at being part of it, well you might get told as much.

I'm sure they'll fix it but on their timeframe not yours.

cohler · 12-02-2021, 05:38 PM

rncwalker · 12-03-2021, 02:43 PM

@cohler,

I do not know what problem you are having, but I really do not believe that it's reaper.

Many of the problems that you have pointed out, works correctly on my system!

I'm on 6.42 windows.

Robert

MonkeyBars · 12-03-2021, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rncwalker

I'm on 6.42 windows.

try reading the subject and OP mate

rncwalker · 12-03-2021, 10:02 PM

Every example he has shown of the problem on his Mac, I do not have on my system. All the shortcuts are showing. So again I say I do not have this problem!

Robert

rncwalker · 12-03-2021, 10:16 PM

I nnotice that their is only two people that are complaing about this issue, that's a very small percentage of users having this problem, which leads me to think it may not be reaper.

Im only tring to help by confirming the problem, I'm just not getting this problem on my PC.

Robert

MonkeyBars · 12-04-2021, 07:13 AM

Thanks for confirming this bug is Mac-only. Your presence is no longer required on this thread

rncwalker · 12-04-2021, 07:34 AM

I stand Corrected, two complainers and one idiot!

Robert

MonkeyBars · 12-04-2021, 07:40 AM

why are you here

rncwalker · 12-04-2021, 07:51 AM

I like going to the ZOO

Justin · 12-04-2021, 06:50 PM

There are a few things going on here, from what I can tell (correct me if I'm mistaken):

Some of the missing indicators are due to the fact that macOS only allows the keyboard assignment for a menu item to appear on one item in the menu, so if there are duplicate items, it will only be displayed in one location. So, for example, if you have an action in the view menu with a binding of "X", and run it, its instance in the view menu may still show "X", but if it appears in the actions menu, it will not show a key binding there. (Or vice-versa, it's the OS doing this). I haven't been able to find any way around this OS limitation.
Some keys are simply not able to be represented by the macOS keyboard assignment system. E.g. space-bar. Or Home.
There are probably some instances where a key-combination IS able to be represented by the macOS keyboard assignment system, and REAPER translates it poorly. If we can figure out which are _these_ instances, I'd be happy to try to fix them.

MonkeyBars · 12-04-2021, 08:08 PM

Thanks for chiming in, Justin!

Those are some nasty macOS limitations.

FeedTheCat · 12-05-2021, 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonkeyBars

Thanks for chiming in, Justin!

+1, I ran out of popcorn.

05-27-2021, 09:33 AM	#1
cohler Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 642	MAJOR BUG: Incorrect or totally missing shortcut keystrokes in REAPER menus on Mac On Mac, REAPER displays totally incorrect key combinations in some cases--and sometimes no key combination at all--in the main REAPER menus (customized obviously) even though the corresponding commands are correctly assigned key combinations in the Action list (and correspondingly in the reaper-kb.ini file). In a few of the highlighted cases, you might argue that the displayed key combination is correct, e.g. "!" instead of "Shift-1," but in that same menu "Shift-3" is listed correctly as "Shift-3" and not "#", so even that small subset of these cases, the displayed key combination is inconsistent at best. See the following image. All the red highlights show missing or incorrect key combinations in the REAPER main menus. In most cases, I have typed the actual Mac key combination into the menu description itself so it appears to the left of each menu right margin. The REAPER generated menu key combination listings all appear right-justified in their respective menus (or blank where they don't appear at all). This is not an exhaustive list, but it is the majority of the problems. This is a major bug in REAPER for the ENTIRE Mac community, so I hope it can be fixed soon.

05-27-2021, 09:42 AM	#2
_Stevie_ Human being with feelings Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Black Forest Posts: 5,222	Yes, similar issues are on Windows with non-US/UK layouts. Not sure if this is related, but would love to see all these keyboard issues fixed. __________________ My Reascripts forum thread \| My Reascripts on GitHub If you like or use my scripts, please support the Ukraine: Ukraine Crisis Relief Fund \| DirectRelief \| Save The Children \| Razom

11-30-2021, 07:30 PM	#12
kaylec Human being with feelings Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 128	So this is a cosmetic thing? They key commands still work as expected, just don’t show up correctly? I’m not trying to minimize the issue, just clarifying for my own understanding. __________________ Kayle MacPro • coming over from Logic Pro www.clementunes.com

12-02-2021, 11:27 AM	#24
karbomusic Human being with feelings Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,389	You guys forgot the screaming all caps major bug stuff which is also, let's say, at minimum not conducive to a healthy user/dev relationship. But some will never get that, trust me on that and that you are wasting your time trying to get the OP to behave any differently than they always have here, they are infallible so I don't even know why you are trying. __________________ Music is what feelings sound like.

12-02-2021, 01:45 PM	#28
karbomusic Human being with feelings Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 29,389	^NO PROBLEM, go for it you big lovable sweetheart you. Btw, it's not ad hominem since we are NOT discounting what you WANT by attacking YOU. We are simply calling out how terrible YOU are at most any communication on this forum - we live in a society, if you suck at being part of it, well you might get told as much. I'm sure they'll fix it but on their timeframe not yours. __________________ Music is what feelings sound like. Last edited by karbomusic; 12-02-2021 at 01:50 PM.

11-30-2021, 03:17 PM	#7
MonkeyBars Human being with feelings Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Hollyweird Posts: 2,756	OP is a bit confusing to me. What exactly is going on? Menus are displaying the wrong key combos? Recommend making a licecap of setting a keycut and menu showing it wrong just after

11-30-2021, 04:14 PM	#9
cohler Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 642	To keep things simple, try assigning the keystroke SPACE to any action in the action list, and then put that action in a menu. You will see that the keystroke DOES NOT APPEAR in the menu.

11-30-2021, 04:26 PM	#10
cohler Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 642	Here you go for the SPACE example. SPACE is assigned to action "Transport: Play/stop": Action "Transport: Play/stop" is added to the Actions menu: Keystroke SPACE is NOT DISPLAYED IN THE MENU. And as I documented in my OP, that is just one of dozens of keystrokes that either (a) do not display at all, or (b) display incorrectly.

11-30-2021, 06:24 PM	#11
MonkeyBars Human being with feelings Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Hollyweird Posts: 2,756	Thanks! Yes that would be good to fix for sure +1

11-30-2021, 08:26 PM	#14
MonkeyBars Human being with feelings Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Hollyweird Posts: 2,756	Admittedly is a nasty UX issue. Luckily, I imagine it's a rather simple fix

12-01-2021, 06:13 AM	#15
cohler Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 642	Here's another example of the many DOZENS of incorrectly displayed keystrokes... MASSIVE BUG NEEDS TO BE FIXED!

12-02-2021, 05:51 AM	#16
cohler Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 642	And another... A perfectly innocuous character such as "@" doesn't show up at all in the menus either as "@" or as "Shift-2". BUG

12-02-2021, 10:09 AM	#17
Fergler Human being with feelings Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 5,378	You type like you're selling me an affiliate marketing opportunity the likes of which hasn't been heard of in three whole days. Calm down, be nice.

12-02-2021, 10:31 AM	#20
MonkeyBars Human being with feelings Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Hollyweird Posts: 2,756	"Needs to be fixed immediately." impolite "there is no reason that this could not be quickly remedied" assumptive "Is nobody going to fix this" passive aggressive check yoself

12-02-2021, 11:12 AM	#21
Fergler Human being with feelings Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 5,378	Your first post was actually quite good except for the superlative 'totally' in the first sentence which is tonally insensitive. It goes downhill from there when you lose all patience with a software you did nothing to create and actually financially benefit from selling a product that merely extends or alters the capability, and this is far from the first thread in which you shout about the falling sky that none of apparently care about. I don't like you. But I do believe you can do better and maybe I'll give it a shot.

12-02-2021, 11:22 AM	#22
cohler Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 642	Ignoring all the ad-hominem nonsense that so often pervades this forum, I will continue on to report the FACTS for the benefit of the REAPER developers. This bug that I reported six months ago affects EVERY Mac user that uses REAPER. This bug that I reported six months ago includes incorrectly displaying, or not displaying at all, DOZENS of keystrokes. It is a MAJOR BUG, that affects a LARGE NUMBER of users, and that makes REAPER appear less professional than it otherwise is. Something as basic as displaying keystrokes correctly in menus, is not a difficult problem to address. It deserves IMMEDIATE attention, so that REAPER doesn't damage it's own reputation in the market.

12-02-2021, 11:29 AM	#25
cohler Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 642	Another example of the dozens... Command-= doesn't display at all in the menus.

12-02-2021, 11:32 AM	#26
Fergler Human being with feelings Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 5,378	Yeah, Karbo you're right. I'll just leave this here for anyone thinking I might be a little too invested in my disdain for this charlatan. https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=251153

12-02-2021, 12:18 PM	#27
cohler Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 642	Getting back to signal and ignoring the NOISE of irrelevant, off-topic, ad-hominem, childish, nastiness, ... Wondering when @schwa and @justin will address this major BUG?

12-02-2021, 05:38 PM	#29
cohler Banned Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 642

12-03-2021, 02:43 PM	#30
rncwalker Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: South Fl. Posts: 887	@cohler, I do not know what problem you are having, but I really do not believe that it's reaper. Many of the problems that you have pointed out, works correctly on my system! I'm on 6.42 windows. Robert

12-03-2021, 10:02 PM	#32
rncwalker Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: South Fl. Posts: 887	Every example he has shown of the problem on his Mac, I do not have on my system. All the shortcuts are showing. So again I say I do not have this problem! Robert

12-03-2021, 10:16 PM	#33
rncwalker Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: South Fl. Posts: 887	I nnotice that their is only two people that are complaing about this issue, that's a very small percentage of users having this problem, which leads me to think it may not be reaper. Im only tring to help by confirming the problem, I'm just not getting this problem on my PC. Robert Last edited by rncwalker; 12-03-2021 at 10:21 PM.

12-04-2021, 07:13 AM	#34
MonkeyBars Human being with feelings Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Hollyweird Posts: 2,756	Thanks for confirming this bug is Mac-only. Your presence is no longer required on this thread

12-04-2021, 07:34 AM	#35
rncwalker Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: South Fl. Posts: 887	I stand Corrected, two complainers and one idiot! Robert

12-04-2021, 07:40 AM	#36
MonkeyBars Human being with feelings Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Hollyweird Posts: 2,756	why are you here

12-04-2021, 07:51 AM	#37
rncwalker Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: South Fl. Posts: 887	I like going to the ZOO

12-04-2021, 06:50 PM	#38
Justin Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 16,223	There are a few things going on here, from what I can tell (correct me if I'm mistaken): Some of the missing indicators are due to the fact that macOS only allows the keyboard assignment for a menu item to appear on one item in the menu, so if there are duplicate items, it will only be displayed in one location. So, for example, if you have an action in the view menu with a binding of "X", and run it, its instance in the view menu may still show "X", but if it appears in the actions menu, it will not show a key binding there. (Or vice-versa, it's the OS doing this). I haven't been able to find any way around this OS limitation. Some keys are simply not able to be represented by the macOS keyboard assignment system. E.g. space-bar. Or Home. There are probably some instances where a key-combination IS able to be represented by the macOS keyboard assignment system, and REAPER translates it poorly. If we can figure out which are _these_ instances, I'd be happy to try to fix them. Last edited by Justin; 12-04-2021 at 06:56 PM.

12-04-2021, 08:08 PM	#39
MonkeyBars Human being with feelings Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Hollyweird Posts: 2,756	Thanks for chiming in, Justin! Those are some nasty macOS limitations.