Freehand drawing take volume envelope randomly breaks constantly

Gurt Tractor · 06-12-2022, 01:39 PM

Hi. I've been working on a sound design project where I've been using a lot of items layered together, with drawn volume automation to create the required effects. It's been going perfectly well for a while now, but for some reason ctrl+dragging to draw the volume automation on some takes just isn't working. It'll make new points on the line, but it won't draw at all. Sometimes it will draw but it's very laggy and glitchy, or if I come back to it it'll work again for a bit then stop working.

I can find zero reproducability or reason for this, I've tried so much but it's just random as far as I can tell. I'll keep trying and update this if I can find anything that makes sense.

Unfortunately this is compltetely killing my workflow, and I'm at a loss for what to do right now. I could use the track envelopes, but that's very very not ideal for how I work, as I need to have the items visually close to each other to be able to see what I'm doing, drawing direcly on the item is great when it works.

Any help would be greatly appreciated as this is quite time critical atm.

Gurt Tractor · 06-12-2022, 02:34 PM

Ok I believe I have the bug isolated to some extent, I think it's to do with how far along the timeline the items are, weirdly. I'm putting the bug example project together now, and I'll put a link to the .zip here if that's ok?

schwa · 06-12-2022, 02:38 PM

Yes if you have an example project please do post it!

Gurt Tractor · 06-12-2022, 03:11 PM

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vZE...ew?usp=sharing

Press F5 to go to the second track screenset where at least one of the items will have a bugged take volume envelope, usually the bottom one it seems.

I tested that project on a fresh portable install of the latest Reaper version, and on a seperate laptop too. Seems to be related to how far along the timeline it is, you can move the 4 files at the start along, and at some point the vol envelopes will become intermittently buggy.

Gurt Tractor · 06-12-2022, 03:14 PM

There's also some kind of bug with the right click marquee select not working sometimes, not sure if that's a known thing? Having trouble reproducing it.

Gurt Tractor · 06-12-2022, 03:25 PM

I tried moving the items I was trying to work on closer to the start of the project, and it seems like I'm able to draw again properly. I really hope that's a workaround that will work for now :P

schwa · 06-13-2022, 06:24 AM

Fixing, thanks for posting the sample project.

Gurt Tractor · 06-15-2022, 06:43 PM

Awesome, thanks for making such great software.

06-12-2022, 01:39 PM	#1
Gurt Tractor Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 75	Freehand drawing take volume envelope randomly breaks constantly Hi. I've been working on a sound design project where I've been using a lot of items layered together, with drawn volume automation to create the required effects. It's been going perfectly well for a while now, but for some reason ctrl+dragging to draw the volume automation on some takes just isn't working. It'll make new points on the line, but it won't draw at all. Sometimes it will draw but it's very laggy and glitchy, or if I come back to it it'll work again for a bit then stop working. I can find zero reproducability or reason for this, I've tried so much but it's just random as far as I can tell. I'll keep trying and update this if I can find anything that makes sense. Unfortunately this is compltetely killing my workflow, and I'm at a loss for what to do right now. I could use the track envelopes, but that's very very not ideal for how I work, as I need to have the items visually close to each other to be able to see what I'm doing, drawing direcly on the item is great when it works. Any help would be greatly appreciated as this is quite time critical atm.

06-12-2022, 02:34 PM	#2
Gurt Tractor Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 75	Ok I believe I have the bug isolated to some extent, I think it's to do with how far along the timeline the items are, weirdly. I'm putting the bug example project together now, and I'll put a link to the .zip here if that's ok?

06-12-2022, 02:38 PM	#3
schwa Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NY Posts: 16,954	Yes if you have an example project please do post it!

06-12-2022, 03:11 PM	#4
Gurt Tractor Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 75	https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vZE...ew?usp=sharing Press F5 to go to the second track screenset where at least one of the items will have a bugged take volume envelope, usually the bottom one it seems. I tested that project on a fresh portable install of the latest Reaper version, and on a seperate laptop too. Seems to be related to how far along the timeline it is, you can move the 4 files at the start along, and at some point the vol envelopes will become intermittently buggy.

06-12-2022, 03:14 PM	#5
Gurt Tractor Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 75	There's also some kind of bug with the right click marquee select not working sometimes, not sure if that's a known thing? Having trouble reproducing it.

06-12-2022, 03:25 PM	#6
Gurt Tractor Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 75	I tried moving the items I was trying to work on closer to the start of the project, and it seems like I'm able to draw again properly. I really hope that's a workaround that will work for now :P

06-13-2022, 06:24 AM	#7
schwa Administrator Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: NY Posts: 16,954	Fixing, thanks for posting the sample project.

06-15-2022, 06:43 PM	#8
Gurt Tractor Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 75	Awesome, thanks for making such great software.