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Old 07-14-2009, 10:54 AM   #1
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Default A VIDEO presentation of a powerful grid system in the piano roll. (soon to be a FR)

A presentation of FL's grid system in the piano roll (most of it also works for the playlist)

This is more about the focusing side of the piano roll, rather than showing the piano roll's tools.

check it out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtGIOiKig4M

Comments are very welcome.
useful/practical comments are even more welcome.

It will turn to be a Feature request after this..., I just want to discuss about it with you before.., to see if you have more useful comments/ideas.
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:08 AM   #2
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This is very interesting. Some great features in there.

In particular I like:

- the CC grid lines
- the octave grid lines
- the right-click deletes notes
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:38 AM   #3
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Don't forget the cool options it has: chop, quick-chop, flam, strum, randomize, SCALE (I use this a LOT), etc.
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:50 AM   #4
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I really like the way you can zoom in/out and move left/right/up/down so quickly and easily.
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:53 AM   #5
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That's quite nice indeed. Would be really great to have something like this in Reaper.

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Old 07-14-2009, 03:12 PM   #6
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I really like the way you can zoom in/out and move left/right/up/down so quickly and easily.
This. There are tonnes of great features that I can live without, but simple navigation of the midi editor is a vital area for improvement!
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Old 07-14-2009, 10:06 PM   #7
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OK....MONEY TIME! (added to feature requests)

Vote and support here!
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=577

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Old 07-14-2009, 10:40 PM   #8
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you can also copy paste your comments from there to there.
http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=577

it could be useful for the developers.
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:03 PM   #9
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some (negative) comments: (sorry to be a hater)

* right-click drag is already used for marquee select so it's not really easily usable for note deletion.
* a lot of the velocity stuff you're demonstrating is already in there!
* in fact, a lot of that stuff is already there, just with a slightly different interface. i think the more you use reaper the less you'll actually demand out of that.

use of colour (per bar etc) is good though, and i'll +1 for that. quite like the scrolling position indicator but i don't think it'd actually affect the way i make music.

(i dig the riff in the demo, btw)

edit: oh, i like the middle button scroll but i suspect that's already implemented in 3.06 which is nearly ready. it's definitely implemented for the main window.
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Old 07-14-2009, 11:44 PM   #10
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* right-click drag is already used for marquee select so it's not
hey dub,
watch this... (soon to be in the feature request too, I hope to see your support)
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=39210

as said many times already: all actions for mouse+ should/must be optional.

'marquee' should be Ctrl+left-click if you ask me (but that's just me!, lets make it optional)

I don't have time to fight with you or anyone else...seriously. lets just make peace and make it optional, best for everyone.


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* a lot of the velocity stuff you're demonstrating is already in there!
well, that's good to hear, no?
lets take only what that is not in reaper.

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* in fact, a lot of that stuff is already there, just with a slightly different interface. i think the more you use reaper the less you'll actually demand out of that.
Oh that is just arrogance/ignorance...

I'm tired of telling you about my experience with many kind of styles in other programs, I have no problem to adapt myself into a new kind of workflow.
I just know which workflow is better, that's all.

there is bad, and good workflow.

bad = slower, less focus, bad gui, less smooth, bad harmony between the shortcuts...etc

Unnececary bother for the brain, tedious!

blind people can wolk too you know, they just have different kind of workflow. :/

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use of colour (per bar etc) is good though, and i'll +1 for that.
thanks.
lots of people already did...for the playlist already.
check it here: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=549



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quite like the scrolling position indicator but i don't think it'd actually affect the way i make music.
a little thing + a little thing + a little thing...believe me, those things will change the way you make music.


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(i dig the riff in the demo, btw)
thanks, made in about 1 minute...workflow... easy..

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edit: oh, i like the middle button scroll but i suspect that's already implemented in 3.06 which is nearly ready. it's definitely implemented for the main window.
thanks for this info.

all in all, I hope that you will be less smartass, I'm really trying to be practical and useful for all of us...for you too..., and don't worry about your current workflow, because everything that I ask should be optional.

cheers

edit: sry if I was an ass in any way :/ I just have bad experience with smartasses noobs who can't use their brain, I don't think that you are one of them, I hope that we can get along.

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Old 07-14-2009, 11:57 PM   #11
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there is bad, and good workflow
hrm.. some of the things you've pointed out are definitely improvements, but other things are just *different*.

of course reaper is going to seem "wrong" if you've built up loads of experience and muscle memory doing it another way for years, but that doesn't make the equivalent stuff that's in there bad - it might just be not what you're used to.

an example: when i finally got used to right-click drag for marquee select, i found myself just automatically trying to do it in other applications. a lot of things in reaper are like that - there are a lot of very clever design decisions that probably seem stupid when you first start using it.

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Old 07-15-2009, 12:24 AM   #12
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an example: when i finally got used to right-click drag for marquee select, i found myself just automatically trying to do it in other applications. a lot of things in reaper are like that - there are a lot of very clever design decisions that probably seem stupid when you first start using it.
I actually did few serious tests over the years, while moved between the programs.

After 20 daws +- I became mature with my choices...


perfect harmony of shortcuts:

Ctrl + mousewheel (zoom in/out horizontal)
Middle button (pan view, handtool)
Mousewheel (scroll down/up)
Ctrl + Left click (marquee select)

All surface actions work in harmony. (Ctrl and Middle Button)

'marquee select' is also related because you want to adjust the surface before you select.
therefor the Ctrl+Left click.

it keeps your focusing on a task.
Ctrl/Mousewheel for surface related actions.

I think that you get the point...

Left click (add note), right click (delete note), you can see in the video how fast I work with the two...there is no way that you can do it faster or even close to this in reaper currently...


I still say that it should be optional, even if I think that my way can be proved to be better.

cheers.

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