A picture says more than 1000 words...

EvilDragon · 07-21-2009, 06:19 AM

Take a look at this:

Doesn't this look MUCH better?

Basically, there's no need to tell something is a "DX", or "DXi" or "VSTi" or whatever, if we've already selected that folder in FX chain!

Vote: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=654

sts · 07-21-2009, 09:32 AM

Hmmmm...not quite sure if I get your point, but:

The prefix can be useful in combination with the filter, since filtering can also be applied to pre-selected folders. Say, I am a collector of EQ plugins and have created a user-defined folder "EQ". Selecting this folder, I see a very long list of EQ plugins - VST, DX and JS. If, for some reason, I want to further restrict the selection to one of these three types, I can use the prefix in order to do so (e.g. by typing "DX" in the filter field). Also, the prefix lets you search for a particular plugin by type (VSTi, DX, whatever) right from the "All Plugins" top level. This is a good feature, since the FX browser opens in the "All Plugins" display mode by default and I might be too lazy to click my way through all the folders, so I use "VSTi", "DX"... as a filter instead.

labyrinth · 07-21-2009, 11:37 AM

I agree that it is not needed in VST, VSTi, DX, DXi, and JS folders...very redundant and eye fatiguing.

Limeflavour · 07-21-2009, 11:38 AM

I was thinking the exact same thing earlier today.

I can agree with sts that those prefixes can be nice to have in the fxbrowser but when using the 'AddFX' from the mixer to
grab plugins from your favourites folder I think that the same prefixes just clutters the list.

It's a minor (even a non-) issue, but I still find them a bit 'annoying'...

Dstruct · 07-21-2009, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by labyrinth

I agree that it is not needed in VST, VSTi, DX, DXi, and JS folders...very redundant and eye fatiguing.

Agreed too.

EvilDragon · 07-21-2009, 12:11 PM

Up to the tracker, then?

labyrinth · 07-21-2009, 12:24 PM

Go ahead bro.

EvilDragon · 07-21-2009, 12:50 PM

Done

Counting for support there, too!

labyrinth · 07-21-2009, 01:16 PM

This should be a FR not a bug.

netnoggin · 07-23-2009, 07:09 AM

FR maybe but I would make it a more general concept, as the "problem" exists in many places across the application in general. For instance, the same eye fatigue (good phrase) is in the menu structure. When I click View, I don't really require all the items listed to say Show This, Show that, etc. Especially if your are not going to toggle it between Show and Hide as some do, but just use a check mark instead.

I think shortening up things like this where possible would go a long way to making navigation in general a more pleasant experience.

EvilDragon · 12-19-2009, 04:07 AM

I wonder why this thing still haven't been addressed... It seems really easy to fix it up. :/

If we selected VSTi, we don't need it say "VSTi:" before the actual name of the plugin, we really don't! The only instance where this should be shown is if we selected "All Plugins" and "Instruments"! If we selected "Cockos", we really don't need it to say "(Cockos)" in each plugin's name!!

EvilDragon · 12-20-2009, 04:24 PM

Updated with new pictures

Kundalinguist · 12-20-2009, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EvilDragon

Updated with new pictures

You are quite the photographer.

pac-man · 01-22-2010, 06:53 PM

GAS trap! OMG!

EvilDragon · 03-22-2010, 07:42 AM

Bumping this up. It's still an eyesore.

NAS · 03-28-2010, 03:21 PM

That somehow implies the whole FX browser isn't an eye sore
It is
Needs a complete overhaul (Please user colorable, The eyeball cancer enducing whiteness is terrible)

NAS

captain caveman · 03-28-2010, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NAS

That somehow implies the whole FX browser isn't an eye sore
It is
Needs a complete overhaul (Please user colorable, The eyeball cancer enducing whiteness is terrible)

NAS

I (used to) feel your pain.

I just changed the Application Background colour in Windows to a fetching shade of grey. It sorts out all those glaringly white windows.

NAS · 03-28-2010, 03:42 PM

Yeah and messes totally with the rest of windows
I dont mind the white when im in a folder
I just f*ckin hate it when i am in song mode

NAS

EvilDragon · 03-28-2010, 04:09 PM

I agree that ALL Reaper's windows should be fully skinnable.

WyattRice · 08-22-2010, 08:51 AM

Bump for this. The vst prefix in front of every plugin is a bit confusing. ED, What happened to the picture?

Thanks, Wyatt

EvilDragon · 08-22-2010, 10:12 AM

Eh, the image hosting service went down, I have to re-do the mockups...

lowellben · 01-26-2011, 06:38 AM

Evan said:
It's a little more than a nitpick. With all plugins starting with "VST" in front, it makes it impossible to jump to a letter in the list by hitting a key. (e.g. pressing P would move to plugin names starting with.

I agree, I would love to be able to jump to a letter in the list by hitting a key - man, I am so used to that in Windows, and all other apps

Reaper should follow!

Ben

d.bop · 01-30-2011, 11:09 PM

*bump*

Pretty please?

Dstruct · 01-30-2011, 11:15 PM

Yeah, let's get rid of it.

cyberturbo · 02-16-2011, 08:20 AM

Yes please with dragon I mean llama on top. :-)

EvilDragon · 02-17-2011, 07:53 AM

v4 in alpha and still didn't get rid of it

beatbybit · 02-17-2011, 08:39 AM

i guess this is no good for you?

EvilDragon · 02-17-2011, 08:52 AM

It's a workaround, not a solution.

mtsproductions · 02-17-2011, 09:55 AM

cant vote for something i cant see

WyattRice · 07-03-2011, 11:02 AM

It is a bit confusing sometimes when you are looking for a plugin name, and you have to look at the prefix e.g. "VST" first, before the actual name. Here's some quick pics of what ED was talking about (not as fancy as what ED had in the first post, when the picture was displayed.

Here's the default with prefix VST example.

Here's one without, making the names easier to find IMHO.

It's plainly clear that in the left column, that VST is already highlighted. Why do we need it to be on everyone of them?

Maybe just a simple option to hide the prefix would do

reapercurious · 07-04-2011, 01:42 AM

+1 in the agreement of what has been said by the majority of people and users who have entered their opinions on this thread about or on Redundant redundancy of stuff thats the same as itself being listed next to itself in order to identify itself after the fact is already known to be the case or situation.

airon · 07-05-2011, 06:57 AM

I have an additional idea for what WyattRice has shown to be absolutely superior in finding what you need just a little bit quicker.

One obviuos worry is, how is anyone going to know what type of plugin they're picking when you're searching in the ALL category.

Headers. Small headers, maybe even coloured, but only the headers.
VST
entires...
VSTi
entries...

and so on. That way you'll still know.

The headers should be included even if a single plugin type catogory is chosen, because Windows 7 for example has very poor highlights when you haven't selected the window section that category lives in.

To illustrate, in this shot the JS catgory is actually highlighted. Very hard to spot. Thus, a header should be included at the top of the entry list view of the plugins.

An illustration of what the FX browser looks like when I'm selecting something in the list view(not visible because of the screenshot sharing program). This is Win7 x64.

-----------------------------
Concerning the right-click menu on the FX button, rather than this:

You try this:

FX already in the chain at the top. Add FX with the somewhat long and redundant "Recently used", which might do well to take the place of "Add FX" in the form of "Recent".

And all the chains with their subdirectories beneath it. Maybe even just "FX Chains" instead of "Add FX Chains". Not sure about this one.

This would cut away a lot of menu travel. Would that work for you guys ?

Mr. Data · 07-05-2011, 07:24 AM

Yes, having existing plugs on top whould be better.

But what bothers me even more is (to hijack the thread

) that there is no easy and fast intuitive way to remove an FX ie. plugin. We have "Add FX", "Add FX Chain" but no "Remove FX" with a submenu holding all FX on the track. To remove an FX we have to go somewhere else first although to me it seems to be quite logical to add and/or remove (even cut, copy and paste) plugins from one menu.

-Data

airon · 07-05-2011, 10:59 AM

Since we can left-click on those menus, perhaps we should be able to ALT+click on the FX chain entries.

WyattRice · 07-05-2011, 04:12 PM

Off topic. I wish we also had the ability to customize the fx right click menu. I already know that you can alt click to remove, and single click to enable, bypass. Remove all would save a keystroke. Here's an older mockup I did.

airon · 07-06-2011, 04:21 AM

You mean an entry in the context menu in addition to the ALT+click on the FX button that deletes all entries, right ? That would be less ambiguous, and you could add the ALT+click command in brackets next to the entry, so the user knows about this immeadiately.

reapercurious · 07-06-2011, 12:34 PM

why does anybody need to know whether their plugin is a vst or vsti or dxi or dx or js?

i would assume most people know what they paid for or what plugin they are using based on its name not on how it was programmed.

WyattRice · 07-06-2011, 05:55 PM

Maybe something like this that wouldn't affect anyone that likes it the way it is. Make an option in plug-in preferences that you could check mark, to hide the prefix's.

Just an ideal

Kundalinguist · 07-06-2011, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WyattRice

Maybe something like this that wouldn't affect anyone that likes it...

This idea could even be bigger than wine coolers!

EvilDragon · 08-08-2011, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WyattRice

It is a bit confusing sometimes when you are looking for a plugin name, and you have to look at the prefix e.g. "VST" first, before the actual name. Here's some quick pics of what ED was talking about (not as fancy as what ED had in the first post, when the picture was displayed.

Here's the default with prefix VST example.

Here's one without, making the names easier to find IMHO.

It's plainly clear that in the left column, that VST is already highlighted. Why do we need it to be on everyone of them?

Maybe just a simple option to hide the prefix would do

I've used your images to replace mine, which were deleted when my former image hosting went under. I hope you don't mind.

Also, "v4 needs an FX browser overhaul!" bump!

07-21-2009, 06:19 AM	#1
EvilDragon Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 24,869	A picture says more than 1000 words... (FIXED) Take a look at this: Doesn't this look MUCH better? Basically, there's no need to tell something is a "DX", or "DXi" or "VSTi" or whatever, if we've already selected that folder in FX chain! Vote: http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=654 Last edited by EvilDragon; 02-25-2023 at 07:05 AM.

07-21-2009, 11:37 AM	#3
labyrinth Human being with feelings Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Massachusetts, USA Posts: 2,248	I agree that it is not needed in VST, VSTi, DX, DXi, and JS folders...very redundant and eye fatiguing. __________________ www.res-ref.com \| Resonant Reflections iMac 3.2 GHz (i5 4570)/16GB RAM \| OSX 10.10 (Yosemite) \| Interface: Focusrite 18i6

07-21-2009, 11:38 AM	#4
Limeflavour Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: sweden Posts: 465	I was thinking the exact same thing earlier today. I can agree with sts that those prefixes can be nice to have in the fxbrowser but when using the 'AddFX' from the mixer to grab plugins from your favourites folder I think that the same prefixes just clutters the list. It's a minor (even a non-) issue, but I still find them a bit 'annoying'... __________________ Flavours of Lime

07-21-2009, 12:24 PM	#7
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07-21-2009, 01:16 PM	#9
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07-21-2009, 09:32 AM	#2
sts Human being with feelings Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 89	Hmmmm...not quite sure if I get your point, but: The prefix can be useful in combination with the filter, since filtering can also be applied to pre-selected folders. Say, I am a collector of EQ plugins and have created a user-defined folder "EQ". Selecting this folder, I see a very long list of EQ plugins - VST, DX and JS. If, for some reason, I want to further restrict the selection to one of these three types, I can use the prefix in order to do so (e.g. by typing "DX" in the filter field). Also, the prefix lets you search for a particular plugin by type (VSTi, DX, whatever) right from the "All Plugins" top level. This is a good feature, since the FX browser opens in the "All Plugins" display mode by default and I might be too lazy to click my way through all the folders, so I use "VSTi", "DX"... as a filter instead.

07-21-2009, 12:11 PM	#6
EvilDragon Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 24,869	Up to the tracker, then?

07-21-2009, 12:50 PM	#8
EvilDragon Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 24,869	Done Counting for support there, too!

07-23-2009, 07:09 AM	#10
netnoggin Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 49	FR maybe but I would make it a more general concept, as the "problem" exists in many places across the application in general. For instance, the same eye fatigue (good phrase) is in the menu structure. When I click View, I don't really require all the items listed to say Show This, Show that, etc. Especially if your are not going to toggle it between Show and Hide as some do, but just use a check mark instead. I think shortening up things like this where possible would go a long way to making navigation in general a more pleasant experience.

12-19-2009, 04:07 AM	#11
EvilDragon Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 24,869	I wonder why this thing still haven't been addressed... It seems really easy to fix it up. :/ If we selected VSTi, we don't need it say "VSTi:" before the actual name of the plugin, we really don't! The only instance where this should be shown is if we selected "All Plugins" and "Instruments"! If we selected "Cockos", we really don't need it to say "(Cockos)" in each plugin's name!! __________________ Entirely (un)dockable UI! \| Improve Render Queue!

12-20-2009, 04:24 PM	#12
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01-22-2010, 06:53 PM	#14
pac-man Human being with feelings Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: a basement nearby Posts: 541	GAS trap! OMG!

03-22-2010, 07:42 AM	#15
EvilDragon Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 24,869	Bumping this up. It's still an eyesore. __________________ Entirely (un)dockable UI! \| Improve Render Queue!

03-28-2010, 03:21 PM	#16
NAS Human being with feelings Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In church, burning it down Posts: 1,345	That somehow implies the whole FX browser isn't an eye sore It is Needs a complete overhaul (Please user colorable, The eyeball cancer enducing whiteness is terrible) NAS __________________ Not Gods or Saints but HUMAN be

03-28-2010, 03:42 PM	#18
NAS Human being with feelings Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: In church, burning it down Posts: 1,345	Yeah and messes totally with the rest of windows I dont mind the white when im in a folder I just f*ckin hate it when i am in song mode NAS __________________ Not Gods or Saints but HUMAN be

03-28-2010, 04:09 PM	#19
EvilDragon Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 24,869	I agree that ALL Reaper's windows should be fully skinnable. __________________ Entirely (un)dockable UI! \| Improve Render Queue!

08-22-2010, 08:51 AM	#20
WyattRice Human being with feelings Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,073	Bump for this. The vst prefix in front of every plugin is a bit confusing. ED, What happened to the picture? Thanks, Wyatt __________________ DDP To Cue Writer. \| DDP Marker Editor.

08-22-2010, 10:12 AM	#21
EvilDragon Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 24,869	Eh, the image hosting service went down, I have to re-do the mockups... __________________ Entirely (un)dockable UI! \| Improve Render Queue!

01-26-2011, 06:38 AM	#22
lowellben Human being with feelings Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: They put me in a home. Posts: 3,433	Evan said: It's a little more than a nitpick. With all plugins starting with "VST" in front, it makes it impossible to jump to a letter in the list by hitting a key. (e.g. pressing P would move to plugin names starting with. I agree, I would love to be able to jump to a letter in the list by hitting a key - man, I am so used to that in Windows, and all other apps Reaper should follow! Ben __________________ 47.8% of statistics are made up.

01-30-2011, 11:09 PM	#23
d.bop Human being with feelings Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Duluth, MN Posts: 1,712	bump Pretty please? __________________ Sleepy-Time DSP - @sleepytimedsp

01-30-2011, 11:15 PM	#24
Dstruct Human being with feelings Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 12,526	Yeah, let's get rid of it.

02-16-2011, 08:20 AM	#25
cyberturbo Human being with feelings Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 297	Yes please with dragon I mean llama on top. :-)

02-17-2011, 07:53 AM	#26
EvilDragon Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 24,869	v4 in alpha and still didn't get rid of it __________________ Entirely (un)dockable UI! \| Improve Render Queue!

02-17-2011, 08:39 AM	#27
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02-17-2011, 08:52 AM	#28
EvilDragon Human being with feelings Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Croatia Posts: 24,869	It's a workaround, not a solution. __________________ Entirely (un)dockable UI! \| Improve Render Queue!

02-17-2011, 09:55 AM	#29
mtsproductions Human being with feelings Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cinemaland Posts: 1,377	cant vote for something i cant see __________________ Cinematic Sound Design

07-03-2011, 11:02 AM	#30
WyattRice Human being with feelings Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,073	It is a bit confusing sometimes when you are looking for a plugin name, and you have to look at the prefix e.g. "VST" first, before the actual name. Here's some quick pics of what ED was talking about (not as fancy as what ED had in the first post, when the picture was displayed. Here's the default with prefix VST example. Here's one without, making the names easier to find IMHO. It's plainly clear that in the left column, that VST is already highlighted. Why do we need it to be on everyone of them? Maybe just a simple option to hide the prefix would do __________________ DDP To Cue Writer. \| DDP Marker Editor. Last edited by WyattRice; 07-03-2011 at 04:45 PM.

07-04-2011, 01:42 AM	#31
reapercurious Human being with feelings Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,932	+1 in the agreement of what has been said by the majority of people and users who have entered their opinions on this thread about or on Redundant redundancy of stuff thats the same as itself being listed next to itself in order to identify itself after the fact is already known to be the case or situation.

07-05-2011, 06:57 AM	#32
airon Human being with feelings Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Berlin Posts: 11,862	I have an additional idea for what WyattRice has shown to be absolutely superior in finding what you need just a little bit quicker. One obviuos worry is, how is anyone going to know what type of plugin they're picking when you're searching in the ALL category. Headers. Small headers, maybe even coloured, but only the headers. VST entires... VSTi entries... and so on. That way you'll still know. The headers should be included even if a single plugin type catogory is chosen, because Windows 7 for example has very poor highlights when you haven't selected the window section that category lives in. To illustrate, in this shot the JS catgory is actually highlighted. Very hard to spot. Thus, a header should be included at the top of the entry list view of the plugins. An illustration of what the FX browser looks like when I'm selecting something in the list view(not visible because of the screenshot sharing program). This is Win7 x64. ----------------------------- Concerning the right-click menu on the FX button, rather than this: You try this: FX already in the chain at the top. Add FX with the somewhat long and redundant "Recently used", which might do well to take the place of "Add FX" in the form of "Recent". And all the chains with their subdirectories beneath it. Maybe even just "FX Chains" instead of "Add FX Chains". Not sure about this one. This would cut away a lot of menu travel. Would that work for you guys ? __________________ Using Latch Preview (Video) - Faderport 16 setup for CSI 1.1 , CSI 3.10 Website "My ego comes pre-shrunk" - Randy Thom

07-05-2011, 07:24 AM	#33
Mr. Data Human being with feelings Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Location Posts: 5,580	Yes, having existing plugs on top whould be better. But what bothers me even more is (to hijack the thread ) that there is no easy and fast intuitive way to remove an FX ie. plugin. We have "Add FX", "Add FX Chain" but no "Remove FX" with a submenu holding all FX on the track. To remove an FX we have to go somewhere else first although to me it seems to be quite logical to add and/or remove (even cut, copy and paste) plugins from one menu. -Data __________________ German Language Pack for REAPER? Get it here! ... Donate? Yeah!! \| Are you nuts? \| Maybe Deutsche Sprachdatei für REAPER? Hier zu haben! ... Spenden? Klar! \| Spinnst wohl!? \| Vielleicht

07-05-2011, 10:59 AM	#34
airon Human being with feelings Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Berlin Posts: 11,862	Since we can left-click on those menus, perhaps we should be able to ALT+click on the FX chain entries. __________________ Using Latch Preview (Video) - Faderport 16 setup for CSI 1.1 , CSI 3.10 Website "My ego comes pre-shrunk" - Randy Thom

07-05-2011, 04:12 PM	#35
WyattRice Human being with feelings Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,073	Off topic. I wish we also had the ability to customize the fx right click menu. I already know that you can alt click to remove, and single click to enable, bypass. Remove all would save a keystroke. Here's an older mockup I did. __________________ DDP To Cue Writer. \| DDP Marker Editor.

07-06-2011, 04:21 AM	#36
airon Human being with feelings Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Berlin Posts: 11,862	You mean an entry in the context menu in addition to the ALT+click on the FX button that deletes all entries, right ? That would be less ambiguous, and you could add the ALT+click command in brackets next to the entry, so the user knows about this immeadiately. __________________ Using Latch Preview (Video) - Faderport 16 setup for CSI 1.1 , CSI 3.10 Website "My ego comes pre-shrunk" - Randy Thom

07-06-2011, 12:34 PM	#37
reapercurious Human being with feelings Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,932	why does anybody need to know whether their plugin is a vst or vsti or dxi or dx or js? i would assume most people know what they paid for or what plugin they are using based on its name not on how it was programmed.

07-06-2011, 05:55 PM	#38
WyattRice Human being with feelings Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Virginia Posts: 2,073	Maybe something like this that wouldn't affect anyone that likes it the way it is. Make an option in plug-in preferences that you could check mark, to hide the prefix's. Just an ideal __________________ DDP To Cue Writer. \| DDP Marker Editor.