Old 09-18-2009, 05:57 PM   #1
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...ok I'm almost sold. I have heard just about every good thing there is to hear about reaper and I love the trial so far...

BUT I NOW NEED TO HEAR SOMETHING BAD ABOUT REAPER!!!!! Could some good honest person give me a reason to NOT buy reaper? is there ANYTHING not good about it? I mean I don't want to get into a "lucky test drive with sawdust in the transmission" situation...(again)

I really do like Reaper so far...just want a final opinion(s) before I fork out any money (which only grows on trees that are not native to my own back yard - or front yard for that matter!)

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Old 09-18-2009, 06:05 PM   #2
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Perhaps wading through some of the tracked bugs and feature requests would help you. I dropped the $ for Reaper just minutes ago so I'm not about to dish on it!
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People give you a funny look when you tell them you use reaper. Thats the only drawback i've found so far.
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...ok I'm almost sold. I have heard just about every good thing there is to hear about reaper and I love the trial so far...

BUT I NOW NEED TO HEAR SOMETHING BAD ABOUT REAPER!!!!! Could some good honest person give me a reason to NOT buy reaper? is there ANYTHING not good about it? I mean I don't want to get into a "lucky test drive with sawdust in the transmission" situation...(again)

I really do like Reaper so far...just want a final opinion(s) before I fork out any money (which only grows on trees that are not native to my own back yard - or front yard for that matter!)

Thanks!

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Uh... the UI has kind of a seasick greenish tint?

Seriously, there is a bunch of things that bother me about REAPER. I paid for it because I like it and to support the developers, but also because as a registered user my requests will hopefully carry a bit more weight. So it's not like it's a perfect DAW, it has numerous flaws (my top two complaints would be the crude midi CC lane editing and the lack of a native stereo panner).

Still, unlike most other commercial DAWs, things get done around here. Before you know it, feature X will be implemented and bug X will be fixed
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There is nothing bad about a $60 DAW that performs as well, and is licensed as friendly as REAPER. Only more good stuff yet to be added.

So if you're a "glass 1/4 empty" kinda guy you could go there... but it would be reaching.

Wait... I got something. The llama is off birth control!

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People give you a funny look when you tell them you use reaper. Thats the only drawback i've found so far.
Lmao!!! Yep, that's been my experience as well.
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I miss good synced video, and a tempo'object'. a Flexible mixerlayout would be nice, and a vertical docker that can function as some sort of trackinspector. In the feature I will FR multiple skins for MCPtracks, making it easy to identify -without going blind from some screaming color- which channel is midi, which is FX, which is VSTi, etc.

I would like an pitch-LFO inside Reaverb, so it would become a professional convolutionrev.

I would like a sidechained FFTreaq.

I would like rIphone, as a remotecontrol.

And I would like to know how Reaper handles 8 gigabytes of samples in Kontakt 4, but that I'm gonna test myself.

Just a noob here too btw..
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Honestly, I wish it came with a few more instruments. A decent synth and drum machine would be great even as a seperate download/add-on bundle.

I know it has nothing to do with the DAW itself, but it would still be great (although I'm MORE than happy with the included plugins!)
If I recall correctly, there was talk about an additional bundle pack not too long ago..
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Reaper is great. Stable, and does most everything I need. As a matter of fact it is perfect.... except for one thing. For a midi type composer (as opposed to someone who records guitar, drums, synth and bass into audio) it has a way of killing creativity. Don't ask me how, it just is. I will admit that the more I work with it the better it is, but still it is a chore instead of a joy to complete a piece.

The positive side is that instead of crashes, VSTi issues and weak audio, Reaper works. The only real "Reaper" issue I have is some pops in audio that I do not get from other (Acid Pro 7) hosts. This is even though the CPU and memory use is lower in Reaper than in others.
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Old 09-18-2009, 09:31 PM   #11
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Ummm, the interface isn't as pretty straight out of the box as ProTools or some of the other name brands....

Can't export automation or splits to ProTools....

Not much else worth complaining about for the price
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Don't buy Reaper. You get too few chances to steam off and rant about the evil ignorant company and you'll look funny if you do or even worse, someone will take you serious and changes/improves the product. Then the damn thing just works and gives you barely a chance to blame the DAW for your faults and if you're a pro, it won't give you as much excuses for paid procrastination (aka realtime render) and coffee breaks (aka loading a project) as other products, which are much better in this reagard. You will end up writing "rea..." instead of "re..". The insufferable noob-friendly community won't cater much masochism of yours when you try to act like a jackass and replies to dumb questions may come much too fast and non-condescending for you to enjoy. It has several components that cause serious addiction and you may end up trying to get other people hooked, making you look like a tool and everyone will call you "fanboi" from then on. The total lack of post-purchase depressions is as bad as the fact that your partner in life will hate that you may have money left for even more toys after purchase. You will suffer from severe updatitis reaperensis, giving you more stuff to waste your time on at least weekly basis.

Is that enough? Run while you still can.

P.S. Seriously, it would be important to know some examples of what would be the "sand in the transmission" for you.
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midi is 1989.
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Old 09-18-2009, 11:55 PM   #15
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Reaper is excellent for audio but only okay for midi - if you want to do lots of editing based upon logical selections, like make all the notes with pitch X that are length Y into pitch K, or delete all the short notes etc

And there are no groove quantise functions

But for straight multitrack audio editing I think it is excellent. And that you can try it out for a good time before buying it is also excellent.
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Reaper can't do midi learn on the v-station. The cc's are hard wired inside the v-station, but.......I can set midi learn up for it in Mu.lab in a minute? why not in Reaper(no envelope recording in Reaper either).
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No envelope recording? Can you expand on that

Reaper is a power users dream for most things audio, the midi will get there (as will the video side) and don't forget to get the sws and xenakios extensions from the resource page above.

It really is a very deep program so dig into the manual and checking out the feature requests section is a good indicator (as suggested) but check out how many of them are "coming soon" or "implemented" based purely on what people want. It's nearly unbelievable to think that a company actually listens! lol
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midi is 1989.
That was a good year. I still remember an Atari ST and I think Reaper has better MIDI now...
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No envelope recording? Can you expand on that
Reaper does not record envelopes for the v-station. I have the controller mapped to the cc's that the v-station responds too, but I can't record in any mode. The controls for the envelope in the TCP jerk around, but nothing records. It's a bit of a shame midi learn does not work properly either.

I have given up on both, and just use cc's and controller lanes.
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Sounds like you have a midi feedback loop? The envelope recording normally works very well. If you haven't already post this as in q and a and i'm sure someone will help you.
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If i start listing the things that are wrong or unfinished with not much hope of being finished in Reaper my fingers would fall off there is that much
Does that mean there is a host around at even the commercial licence cost that compete ?
Not really
It isn't the best and it isn't the worst but at its price point it is very hard to beat

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And what about midi learn?
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I have the controller mapped to the cc's that the v-station responds too
Maybe that's the problem (depending on how and when (while recording MIDI simultaneously?) you try to control it)?

I just wrote an envelope with the mod wheel mapped to cutoff via MIDI learn in the envelope menu - worked as expected. Not sure what the problem is? (But this is certainly the wrong thread for this.)


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That was a good year. I still remember an Atari ST and I think Reaper has better MIDI now...
Sir, NOTHING beats the Atari!!

..and look at those graphics.. Remember the little metronomebleep?

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my 2c fwiw.
i still like the older versions of reaper.
i can even do a song in v1.8 something.
and i really love the product.
but i want to see it maintain its lean n mean ethos as it progresses.
in terms of exe size.
i'm praying it doesnt get bloated like other daw software.
my worry is that as the rest of the world discovers rpr,
and people come in from other platforms that features will be added
that are of no interest to me.
i dont want a pt look alike or a something else look alike.
which seems to be what some people want.

i gotta say one thing on my mind also.
i note the big push from some users re control surfaces.
i dont like em frankly and feel that control surface technology is
a moveing target thats hard for a daw software team to keep up with.
tis like a quagmire imho.
i'll lay out my concern.
rpr devs put in added code for all the different
existing and coming control surfaces..then the win OS changes to w8 ...oops.
might end up with dead code.
same with dsp based add in cards.

two things i would have liked to seen are expansion of the clik trak
feature ..sorta a poor mans bfd, where more drum samples could be used.
(to save people spending on drum software.)
plus a poor mans chords trak to save people spending on auto accompany software.
audio editing wise only thing i want is a sound forge like feature
that interpolates.
expansion of reasynth to be a multi timbral synth might be usefull too.
along the lines of something like forte. this would be usefull
for midi users.
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The only bad things I know:

1. The stereo pan is not real, it's a volume balance of the right and left channels.

2: The midiclock sync doesn't seem to work perfectly. At least, I can't make it to do so...
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Auto accompany has no place in a DAW as far as I'm concerend :-)A poor mans BFD? if we're aiming for a higher end user then just get BFD,I see no place for a low end BFD in Reaper.

Regarding control surfaces,I agree that the OS is a moving target but that's the same for everyone,remember digidesign is cross platform too so they have to deal with two OS's.

My only point about control surfaces is, if you ever want to see Reaper in a high end studio then you'll need to have at least the Eucon protocol in there so they can use an Euphonics MC,this is where the ICON has scored with pro tools.

There's no reason reaper couldn't be in a high end studio so having support for the mainstream 'Pro' Control surfaces would certainly be a plus.

I'm all for keeping Reaper lean and mean but the .exe size doesn't really bother me as much as the actual performance of the software,if it were 10x the size but performed better then at the end of the day that would count more

REaper has the advantage in that it isn't built on any legacy coding so they had a clean slate unlike Sonar,Cubase,logic, this is one of its big advantages ATM.

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we are all different eh ??
for me i'm interested in compositional features.
and anything that helps to get a song idea down fast and trying different song ideas fast. without spending lots of money on adding software
onto reaper.

those mainstream control surfaces you talk of.
watch people scream in the future as the underlying puter technology and OS changes. i tell you mate its a quagmire.
if the circuitry in those CS's is no longer made..oops.

from a user standpoint who has never been involved in hardware
or software engineering...CS's look cute etc.
i fully understand.
but there are many downsides. future maintenance being one.
as well as upgradeability and future support.
ive been burnt in the past on custom circuitry like this..
n i swore never again.

i frankly doubtr haveing the eucon protocol would sway many big boys.
the ones ive talked to in the past are often very fixed in their viewpoints.
the problem with big exe's is source code control and
maintenance. bigger code set to maintain.
imho rpr could offer the moon n the stars , but a lot of big boys are very set in their ways.

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No one needs to worry about reaper getting features you don't want.. Just get your requests in now and then stop upgrading once you get them all!
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Well it finally occurred to me what's "bad" about REAPER. Too many of it's users feel the need to have their choices justified by having "the big boys" come on board. Search "big boys" and you'll see what I mean... you'll hit a ton of pages.

So ... that's "bad", the subconscious inferiority complex that make so many people feel that the "big boys" have to use REAPER or recognize how good it is to make it "legit".

On the one hand they're idiots for using PT and the like but on the other they're being wished for to come on board to give REAPER more legitimacy.
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Well it finally occurred to me what's "bad" about REAPER. Too many of it's users feel the need to have their choices justified by having "the big boys" come on board. Search "big boys" and you'll see what I mean... you'll hit a ton of pages.

So ... that's "bad", the subconscious inferiority complex that make so many people feel that the "big boys" have to use REAPER or recognize how good it is to make it "legit".

On the one hand they're idiots for using PT and the like but on the other they're being wished for to come on board to give REAPER more legitimacy.
That's a good point lawrence, but if I may point out, that's not really anything bad about REAPER, and the developers don't behave at all like that either.

Forgive me being such a pedant but that's just something stupid about people, and you will find stupid people anywhere you go in the world - but not in my house
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two things i would have liked to seen are expansion of the clik trak
feature ..sorta a poor mans bfd, where more drum samples could be used.
(to save people spending on drum software.)
plus a poor mans chords trak to save people spending on auto accompany software.
audio editing wise only thing i want is a sound forge like feature
that interpolates.
expansion of reasynth to be a multi timbral synth might be usefull too.
along the lines of something like forte. this would be usefull
for midi users.
u say u dont want it to bloat but then recommend that these things get implemented? What a waste of code when theres a million plugs that do it better!

And good ole Atari ST, that was my first intro to midi 11 years ago and it was simple and steady and really rather awesome!!! Its about where reaper is now....but the game has changed alot, hasnt it, and i swear if u went back to the ST you would end up making tunes that sound just like early techno, industrial, ambient and bad house trancy shit. I loved the original jungle sound, that was mental!!!...But I dont wanna be back there, i wanna be 6 years from now and i just wish i could do it with Reaps,,,,i mean u can, but it will hurt ur head and use up heaps of ur time trying to get the lil fucker to do exactly what u want....alot of it, it just will not do, period!!!!! And im left in a bind cos its the only daw i have and dont want/cant fork out the ridiculous $$$ for cubase/sonar....until then its a headache.
I have faith that reaps will get there, but when, i mean is it gonna happen before Xmas or are we taliking 3-5 years??? Im no programmer and dont understand the complexities of building a daw and coding midi, but why is it taking so long??? I dont get it, even new directions like PiPs , which sounds really cool,are a concern when midi is still whack, are the devs just not interested or dont they realise? Reaper could have an 80% market share of users, possibly 90%, if its midi was equal to the other players!!!

I dont get it.

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That's a good point lawrence, but if I may point out, that's not really anything bad about REAPER, and the developers don't behave at all like that either.

Forgive me being such a pedant but that's just something stupid about people, and you will find stupid people anywhere you go in the world - but not in my house
I know... ... it's a testament to how hard it is to find something bad about the actual daw.

The best way to promote REAPER (or any other daw if that's something you feel you need to do) is to produce and mix a smokin' track with it. The other stuff is just silly. People listen to music, not DAW's.

But yeah, the devs have a vested interest in wider acceptance so even if they actually did that it wouldn't be unusual at all. Users on the other hand have no such financial interest. It's mostly psychological... and good wishes for the devs also I suppose.

And not unique to REAPER. I still get "funny looks" when I launch Cubase ("Huh? Not PT?"). Nobody cares when we record and mix though.
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went kablooey.
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Sir, NOTHING beats the Atari!!
my god that screen shot brought back the memories...

i still have my atari and all the peripherals/ software - maybe i'll have to bring it out of the attic...

the one thing that sticks in my mind is when i went to meet some guys at a music production company and they played me some of their tracks. i was still on atari and they were using pcs. i couldnt believe what i was hearing... i asked " have you quantised those tracks?". they said of course.

to me it sounded all over the place. atari was rock solid for keeping everything in time..

wonder whether its still the case and weve all became used to slack timing...
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Well it finally occurred to me what's "bad" about REAPER. Too many of it's users feel the need to have their choices justified by having "the big boys" come on board. Search "big boys" and you'll see what I mean... you'll hit a ton of pages.
I Googled "big boys" and got something quite different :shock:
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Old 09-19-2009, 09:54 AM   #40
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The best way to promote REAPER (or any other daw if that's something you feel you need to do) is to produce and mix a smokin' track with it. The other stuff is just silly. People listen to music, not DAW's.
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