Old 01-16-2010, 03:39 PM   #1
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Default Multi track editing and loop tool macros ;

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The Idea is to share tools for fast and easy rearrangement and manipulation of items and nested tracks .

To be able to rearrange whole songs using one audio file.
To be able chop, cut, copy, repeat, expand, shrink, change pitch and volume of all lined up items at once.(Working )
To work within looped sections and to easily move section around the timline.
To have automated effects that effect the items themselves like stutter, repeat, echo ..........

Videos (will add more soon)

http://www.screencast.com/users/Jeds...2-44791498b80b

http://www.screencast.com/users/Jeds...5-8514dc1c1f02

http://www.screencast.com/users/Jeds...f-eec022b5fc97

http://www.screencast.com/users/Jeds...8-1685bce6923a

Directions........
Theres two modes Folder based selection and Track based selection , I now only use track selection but have included the Folder macros aswell.
Folder based actions ...select any track inside a folder to edit all items in that folder/
Track selection....Selects items with selected tracks.

Here's the macros I've been working on. (Keymaped see actions)
Please fell free to alter improve and add to these in any way I would like to collect as many usfull macros, rescripts, and exstentions as possible.

....IMPORTANT.....
You need to disable Mouse clicks/edits in track view change track selection
In Prefs/Editing behavior / Mouse /Half way down.

Save your keysets first as these use the most excisable keys on a laptop
https://stash.reaper.fm/v/4620/Multit...3.ReaperKeyMap

Actions


Group select (Range)


Group select (Item )


Folder Group select (Range) E (Mouse over)


Folder Group select (Item Shift) E (Mouse over)
selects all items in line with selected item


Folder Group cut ..W
Cuts all items in line at mouse cursor


Folder Group cut beginning...shift w
Cuts all items in line with beginning of item the mouse is over


Folder Group cut end ...ctr W
Cuts all items in line with beginning of item the mouse is over


Group repeat R
(Not working properly yet) Repeats items at grid spacing


Group loop select....shift E
Selects all items within loop


Group loop repeat......shift R
Repeats loop


Clean Item


Copy selected items ....D


Paste selected ....F


Render(by Mercardo Negro)....ctrl shift R
Renders loop to folder track (You need to setup a folder and select it first.)
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Old 01-18-2010, 09:52 PM   #2
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It seems very much like you are working on the elevated feature request fuseburn has initiated:

http://forum.cockos.com/project.php?issueid=843
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Wow !
Amazing !

I just found out another wonderful thing to circumvent that you can only group-move after you group-selected:
Just put your group-SELECT-macro into a toolbar labeled "edit group".
Then right-click that icon so it glows red. Now everytime you click with the mouse your group-select is being executed instead of the usual select.
DANG ! You just created an edit group mode ! Everytime you click on an item, the whole group is selected instead.
If you drag, the whole group is being moved...

Brilliant idea using the folders for identifying the groups. I tried abusing the mix groups for that, didn't have too much success.

I think this is actually workable; still experimenting, but so far I think we don't even need the group-split macro anymore for example.
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Prity much

The macros above are very rough and I'm trying to iron out a few niggles.

There not consistent when more than one folder is used as they try and select all the folders for some reason.

First i use a keycomand to select items in a folder
note the tcp doesn't change track.
Second I use Right click on toolbar button.
note tcp now changes with each click.

Worst when the folder itself is selected it selects all other folders meaning slicing an overview on the parent Chanel slices every track inside all folders

http://www.screencast.com/users/Jeds...8-16c43a1a8341

As you can see I'm using
sws save current track selection at the beginning
and
sws Restore saved track selection

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I actually tuned up your macro with Xenakios' save/restore current edit cursor position so the cursor ends up just where you clicked, ready to do a group-slice.

But yeah, I'll keep debugging this aswell. Amazing idea man, thanks alot !
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Sweet please post any modifications/improvements new macros etc.

This sorted out the strange behavior I was getting using right click
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I bet, Preferences -> Editing Behavior -> Mouse: "Mouse clicks/edits in track view change track selection" is getting in your way.
I haven't got much time at the moment but I'll keep diging away on this.

I think it has great potential.

Anyone Know how to create a create folder from selected tracks macro which adds an empty track as the parent?
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Jedstar2000,

Clearly, I am not a programmer, but I wonder if this might improve the situation as related to multi track editing. It has for some custom macros I've created:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.p...589#post438589
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Thanks Jas.

There's a lot going on in that thread I'm afraid I couldn't find your macros however I Kind of have this working a little better ,still a few gremlins with the right mouse button toolbar thing, this is quite new so I expect its some kind of incompatibility with the sws actions.
I will upload the revisions tomorrow when I've had a better chance to test them a little more.

Fuseburn I've incorporated the save/restore cursor position thanks for putting me on to that
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Meanwhile I could manage to get a somewhat workable solution.
There's 2 "edit group modes", everything basically just a modified version of your group select macro:
The one I use most (first version in the video) is a cursor-based version: The selection isn't happening with the famous "select all items in selected tracks in current time selection" but with Xenakios' "select items under edit cursor on selected tracks". The "range"-based mode is derived from your original macro (length of the clicked item determines selection range across the tracks - whereas cursor mode only selects items "touching" the edit cursor)

Both modes are a bit different from ProTools behaviour, but I think I like it so far...

All the obvious editing operations seem to work (incl. fades, crossfade-move etc). OK, the cursor looks different, but I even think that's customizable (how?).

http://www.screencast.com/t/YzcyMTA5NDAt

Known Issues:
- You can't do anything with shift. No way to do multi-selection.
- Hidden tracks (SWS Tracklist) are ignored.
- While it really seems to work well with a fresh project, it has issues when working in existing projects. I think it's an issue with SWS' "select parent/children" actions. Sometimes other (outside of folders) tracks are affected aswell
- Watch your routing (I'm totally not used to working with folder tracks)

Btw. you can optimize your macro with "set time selection to selected items" - instead of your 4 steps (go to start - set start of selection - go to end - set end of selection)

The 2 basic macros, as used in the video:

sorry, I mixed up the action names; this should be called "range-based":

and this is "cursor-based":
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Nice thats far more elegant solution makes more sense only selecting whatever is touching the edit cursor and not having to resize the loop etc

Its a shame the mouse cursor doesn't change when the action is armed ,I hope cockos will address this as more people start developing toolbar tools.

..........EDIT............

Brilliant this works so much better with split actions , No more gliches
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You might wanna have a look at Shan's ProTools Theme thread somewhere in the OSX forum. He somehow managed to include custom cursors.

btw. I mislabeled the actions in the screenshot (cursor-based = region based and vice versa)
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You might wanna have a look at Shan's ProTools Theme thread somewhere in the OSX forum. He somehow managed to include custom cursors.

btw. I mislabeled the actions in the screenshot (cursor-based = region based and vice versa)
Those might be posts #73, 84, & 146 on pages 2, 3, & 4 here:

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=43608&page=2

[#73 on page 2 for the importance of edit groups]
[#84 on page 3 for a demonstration video link]
[#146 on page 4 for the complete cursor set]

By the way, jedstar, you are the king of mashups, and could really lend a lot to shan's theme (when available).

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Thanks guys

Custom cursors
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=48161

But when you have a tool activated the cursor dosen't change when hovering over portions of the item i.e. trim, fade, crossover, vol, etc although you can still do all of these. Unless I'm missing something.

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By the way, jedstar, you are the king of mashups, and could really lend a lot to shan's theme (when available).
I do love mashing it up

P.s.

Check out the Fingers exstentions ,Groove quantize, groove tools, clear overlapping items etc
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=49506

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Here's another very good video from this same forum:

http://www.adamwathan.com/tutorials/reaperslipedit.mov

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=50654

Adam Wathan's - Drum Editing tutorial video using Slip Editing
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Here's another very good video from this same forum:

http://www.adamwathan.com/tutorials/reaperslipedit.mov

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=50654

Adam Wathan's - Drum Editing tutorial video using Slip Editing

I just tried to combine my slip editing drum editing with this folder track editing to save from grouping things and it works great! I am using this macro:



...to select all my drum tracks whenever I need to using "option+a" where my mouse cursor is. I love this "track based edit grouping" workaround. It's not perfect since it doesn't actually group anything, just selects everything that would be in the group, but it basically functions exactly the same way so that's fantastic.

The ONLY gripe I have so far is that shift+click and drag to drag around my crossfades doesn't work, it only applies to one track even if all the tracks are selected... Bummer!
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All the obvious editing operations seem to work (incl. fades, crossfade-move etc). OK, the cursor looks different, but I even think that's customizable (how?).
How are you moving crossfades? It is shift+click and drag on the edge of the crossfade and whenever I do that, it is only moving the crossfade on the track I click, even though all my regions are selected?

EDIT: After a bit of playing around, it seems I have to manually select all the regions AGAIN after a split in order for the crossfades to all move together... But still it behaves very erratically... Making a vid now...

http://www.ashesofthefallen.net/grou...ebehaviour.mov

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Great glad to see its kind of working for you.

I've updated the first page with some updates.

Adam I'm afraid I cant seem to play your movis on this pc probably got something set wrong in firefox .....Ahh yes download link!!!

I've found using ctrl will let you control individual items when using the armed select tools .

Hears the split from beginning tool in operation you'll see when a folder is selected it will cut all other folders ant tracks in the same level

And the clear track tool for clearing overlaps

http://www.screencast.com/users/Jeds...5-8514dc1c1f02

For me I would like to be able to arm tools from keystrokes and see all handles on items when in armed tool modes to really sort things out

Or even better see tallis ideas come to life.
http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=42144
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Adam I'm not sure if this is what you ment but I use the select (item based ) macro to select both sets of item .

http://www.screencast.com/users/Jeds...2-bd70693280a8

Hope this helps
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Agreed, arming tools with key commands would be fantastic. I would not be surprised to see those actions added VERY soon, there are already actions for left clicking on the toolbar buttons. For now just running the macro from a key command is good enough for me, almost better even since I don't have to even bother clicking.

All that's left to turn me into a permanent Reaper convert now is Tape-Style Editing! Hopefully we get it soon.
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Adam I'm not sure if this is what you ment but I use the select (item based ) macro to select both sets of item .

http://www.screencast.com/users/Jeds...2-bd70693280a8

Hope this helps
I think maybe you misunderstood what I was doing in my video, I want the crossfades to stay the same length, I just want to drag them around. This doesn't behave predictably when having all tracks selected without the items actually being grouped. Watch the video again if you have time and try it out, maybe you can figure out what the deal is so I can better understand it! Cheers!
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What about this ?

http://www.screencast.com/users/Jeds...0-3bf39b4234ad

or

http://www.screencast.com/users/Jeds...8-1cd78ac9b77b

Shift drag works hear you can even use the range select macro if you position the mouse on the crossfade to select
i.e. it will select item both sides of the cursor and you will be able to move the crossfade around.
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Keep up the great work guys!
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Default Multi track Editing withiut the Folders

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I've realized due to the select all items in selected tracks at edit cursor action and the option not to change track selection when selecting items it is easier and i think better to have a group select action which follows track selection rather than all tracks within a folder.

This is far more dynamic and requires far less pre-thought when editing groups.

http://www.screencast.com/users/Jeds...8-475d1cb09350

Group select (Range)


How simple is that

Group select (Item )
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I've realized due to the select all items in selected tracks at edit cursor action and the option not to change track selection when selecting items it is easier and i think better to have a group select action which follows track selection rather than all tracks within a folder.

This is far more dynamic and requires far less pre-thought when editing groups.

http://www.screencast.com/users/Jeds...8-475d1cb09350

Group select (Range)


How simple is that

Group select (Item )
I think you can get rid of the third action in the first macro, and also I think you have them labeled backwards, the second macro should be range and the first one should be item. Definitely a quick and handy way of grouping selected tracks! I still like the folder method as well because it doesn't rely on you having the correct tracks selected and selects them for you as long as they are in your "edit folder" but both ways definitely have their place! Good work man.
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I was trying to say that in and another I referred to you:

Item: Select all items in selected tracks in current time selection

Might be better suited in the Options menu as a default for clicking in Reaper. Shift clicking could defeat it. Essentially it links any parent track(s) to any nested item(s) selected. I used it often in custom actions to initiate states simulating Selection Cursor.

I hope this makes sense.
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Jas sorry I don't really follow are you saying shift click will break this, I personally hardly use shift click but will look into it.
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I just suggested Shift Click as a way to toggle the function on and off.
Any free key combination could be used. The point is, that it seems so useful a function, it might be better as available as a default state in Reaper, and thereby, eliminate a lot of redundant calls.
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I think you can get rid of the third action in the first macro,
The third action allows an item that is not in a selected track to be edited by hovering the mouse over it when selecting(On the fly editing behavior )

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and also I think you have them labeled backwards, the second macro should be range and the first one should be item.
The "Item" label is because it will select all items in-line with the item.
"Range" could be changed to "cursor" I guess .

Hope you managed to get the crossfades to work correctly .
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I just suggested Shift Click as a way to toggle the function on and off.
Any free key combination could be used. The point is, that it seems so useful a function, it might be better as available as a default state in Reaper, and thereby, eliminate a lot of redundant calls.
Its a good idea but I would prefer to see the arm tools given more power as these could become increadably customizable workflow improvements
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Here's a further contribution from gofer that I found on adam's thread:

https://stash.reaper.fm/v/4599/gofer%...r.ReaperKeyMap

Here is gofer's excerpt from that thread:

"The one thing I stumble over in your video is that you have to kind of guess those (was it 5?) milliseconds and split ahead of where your transient starts, to not cover it with a fade. I once have made a custom action that splits at the mouse cursor and applies the crossfade so that it ends right at where you click.
Just out of interest, I tweaked it to work with item groups. I thought maybe you want to try it, looks like this:



Download if you like here: https://stash.reaper.fm/v/4599/gofer%...r.ReaperKeyMap
You need SWS extensions for it. Crossfade length can be configured under: Menu -> Actions -> Command Parameters: Seconds (edit cursor)".
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Thanks Jas for all the feedback and support, sometimes I feel a bit like a snappy old bloke when I read back my posts and I'm really not that old

I never got my head around groups in reaper as they didn't perform as I would have liked but I'm interested to know what they can do for me.

thx for posting the macro Its great to keep the ideas bouncing round.

I'm reworking the split macros to work better with the selected track selection macros. For me this is deferentially the way to go as I can edit selected tracks at wimb.

I'm planing some mashup split macros to cut splice and repeat Apex twin style...
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If you don't mind then, I'll keep relaying useful macros to you:

This again from gofer to adam as adam seems to be asking the right questions the right way.
This from Adam's request for -

"Macro to remove any overlap as long as it's not part of a fade?"

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Here's my take at it:



Hover over the overlap and run the action. Works with grouped items as well with parallel grouped items that (about) share start/end time. Otherwise there can be surprises, as the items all want to trim their right edge to the same point in time.

So it works ungrouped and in the multitrack editing scenario, Not too bad, but also not so nice. I don't like macros where you have to beware of exceptions. It just now occurred to me that other (split-crossfade to mouse cursor) action from your video thread has a similar pitfall when the items in a group aren't synchronous



Options -> Show overlapping items in lanes has to be disabled!

SWS extensions needed.

Grab it here https://stash.reaper.fm/4602/gofer%20...r.ReaperKeyMap
if you like. But I sure do hope someone comes up with a solution that gives reasonable results under all circumstances.
At least this way we might have a depository to build a useful group editor from.
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Old 01-27-2010, 01:08 PM   #33
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^^^^ Unfortunately the above macro doesn't do what it claims, we're getting close though.
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Old 01-27-2010, 01:32 PM   #34
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This would be a very useful addition

I use FNG clean action for my overlaps but it also can't distinguish crossfades from the end of an item .

http://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=49506
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Old 01-30-2010, 03:59 AM   #35
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Updated Macros ...(link in first post)



Now includes ..

Clean item (from link above)
Copy selected Items
Paste at mouse cursor (These are my two favorite new macros for composing beats really quickly)
http://www.screencast.com/users/Jeds...f-eec022b5fc97

Cut selected macros now work for selected tracks
Improved repeat functions
Move and cut by grid size macro

I'll update the first post to reflect these changes when I have some time.
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Jed,

Thank you so much for posting this. I am new to Reaper, tho I've been in ProTools since v1. Just being able to make an "edit group" is going to save me hours of editing time this weekend.

Brilliant!
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No worries its a Pleasure
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Old 02-03-2010, 06:57 PM   #38
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I like a lot the functionality you are providing with these macros.
As a long time ProTools user, I find it very helpful to also use Robert Millord's PT keymaps. Robert provided users something very useful in the resources>stash with this printable map of shortcuts:

https://stash.reaper.fm/v/3113/Robert...n%20REAPER.zip

(The C,D,E,F,R keys all have very commonly used shortcut functions in PT)

I realize this is not for all Reaper users by any means, but users of both Reaper and PT on the same machine would do well to mitigate the effect of overwriting one's useful keymaps with another's useful keymaps.

I wonder if there is a way to make them all fit on one keyboard?

Alt+1 Alt+2 Alt+3 Alt+4 Alt+5 Alt+6 Alt+7 Alt+8 Alt+9 Alt+0 are all available on this keyboard.

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Its funny I've been trying to produce an effective keymap for my purposes .

I'm getting there and will post it up when I get a chance but it probably won't be of interest to many as it represents my workflow and disregards any previous keymaps from reaper or any other daw.

At the moment I have things like move item one grid size left attached to left mouse and pitch item down to the down key etc for exstreamly quick and easy to remember editing and remixing.

If you feel like integrating these macros with another keymap I suggest loading my keymap with macros then load yours back over the top and reassign the macros to new keys.....Don't forget to share anything worthwile..

I would love a feature to swap keymaps on the fly so you could have a set of keys say the numeric pad assigned to Edit/Markers/view etc
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Thanks. I took your advice. I'll let you know how it is working for me.
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